Should Lomas WSB fights count?

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  1. STB

    STB #noexcuses Full Member

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    The WSB is scored on a 10 points must system with no headgear and the fighters get compensated.

    Is it reallt fair to say that Loma won a world title in his "3rd fight"
     
  2. Vysotskyy

    Vysotskyy Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    So does amateur boxing since 2013 when he was fighting in WSB and top amateurs have always received money in most countries so there go all your arguments.
     
  3. STB

    STB #noexcuses Full Member

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    So whats the difference bwteeen amateur and professionalism then?

    They get paid and fight by pro rules....how is that "amateur"?
     
  4. jas

    jas ★ Legends: B-HOP ; PAC ★ Full Member

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    Rasheed war ren's wsb fights counted. It's just that in some commision's it wasn't recognised and fighters such as Lomachenko knew that going in so it obviously should NOT count.

    I learnt that from thaboxingvoice show on Sunday.
     
  5. RingToneBoxing

    RingToneBoxing Member Full Member

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    This might shine a bit of light on it although I think the landscape may have changed in the past 18 months.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JetTnsEJ8Uo
     
  6. STB

    STB #noexcuses Full Member

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    hmm, interesting.

    Seems to be an odd grey area.

    Its professional...but not..
     
  7. stormy

    stormy Live and Learn Full Member

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    what amateur boxing association held the event? or were the official body in charge of the event? If they aint amateurs then they must be pros.....
     
  8. STB

    STB #noexcuses Full Member

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    Apparently they still belong to their amateur association...but are paid a fight fee....I dont quite get the difference either.
     
  9. Vysotskyy

    Vysotskyy Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    The only real differences between current amateur boxing/WSB and the pros that i can think of are:

    1) They are sanctioned by AIBA the world governing body for amateur boxing and use their rules

    2) Fights have less rounds

    3) They're fighting fellow amateurs

    4) Same day weigh ins (something pro boxing should follow)

    5) 10 weightclasses instead of 17 (something pro boxing should follow)

    6) The gloves have more padding and you can't completely close your fist with them

    7) They don't use pro hand wraps with tape and gauze

    8) They give standing 8 counts and do it much quicker than they would in pro fights under commissions that still use them


    WSB is an AIBA event
     
  10. STB

    STB #noexcuses Full Member

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    Fights dont necessarily have less rounds. There are 4 round fights in the pros.

    Figting fellow amateurs...who are also getting paid a fight fee.

    The rest does differentiate it though.
     
  11. BoxingNL

    BoxingNL Dutch P4P Champion Full Member

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    I say NO, because it is sanctioned by a amateur boxing association and all fighters have no professional fights.
     
  12. gmurphy

    gmurphy Land of the corrupt, home of the robbery! banned Full Member

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    The only reason it was counted is because commissions in America said they were , Iv no doubt that someone within the major boxing organisations pressured tem into doing this as they feel threatened by aibas pro boxing venture which could potentially seriously damage there interests and capture all the best amateurs and stop them going pro
     
  13. STB

    STB #noexcuses Full Member

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    I cant see the top amateurs ever going to this aiba pro start up.

    I dont think they have deep enough pockets, not like GB or TR.

    I still think that if fighters are being paid fight fees, they are, by definition, not amateur.
     
  14. Vysotskyy

    Vysotskyy Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    This

    thats why WSB fights that took place in the US are counted which explains warr.en and Guasha. Lomachenko never fought in the US though and no one cares what America thinks.

    If that's your definition fine but Lomachenko is about 150-2 then, Rigo about 150-6 and the list goes on. WSB fighters basically get paid a salary which is the same thing countries do for their amateur boxers so they can be full time fighters along with large bonus money for bringing home medals.
     
  15. STB

    STB #noexcuses Full Member

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    But if they're being paid fight fees, then they ARE professional fighters...right?