Should losses be given credit when assessing a fighter's resume?

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  1. jas

    jas ★ Legends: B-HOP ; PAC ★ Full Member

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    And on the same token, should losses ditract from a fighter's assessment?
     
  2. KO-KING

    KO-KING Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    In some cases sure, e.g. Duran vs hagler, Morales vs maidana
     
  3. LordSouness

    LordSouness Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I tink you have to look at who they are against, the nature of it and whether they were avenged.

    If you're taking Canelo, for instance, there's no shame in being beaten by Floyd and you can almost disregard it.

    If you're looking at Lennox Lewis, you see he's been quite brutally KOd, but that can happen in the heavyweight division to anyone and he also avenged those defeats in style.

    If you look at George Groves, that "defeat" actually boosted his career, becauuse people thought he was winning and it was an unfair stoppage.
     
  4. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Depends on the manner of the loss and who they are facing. Losing to a much bigger or clearly superior fighter but giving a good account of yourself can add to your standing as a fighter.
     
  5. GoodOldBoy

    GoodOldBoy Active Member Full Member

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    Ohhh come on.

    Lets look at some examples. A prime Zab Judah barely beat a prime Junior Witter. You couldn't possibly discount Junior Witters performance VS Judah when assessing the accomplishments of Witters career.

    Ray Mercers biggest accomplishment was his performance VS Lennox Lewis. When anyone is asked "Who's Ray Mercer" then most would say ohh he's that heavyweight who had that good fight VS Lennox Lewis. So therefor Ray Mercer is best known for his accomplishments in a fight that's marked as a loss on his record.

    What other good examples can we mention, Danny Romero perhaps, he's best known for the fight that he had versus Johnny Tapia, it was a well publicized fight, it was a very good fight but Danny lost fair and square and nobody disputed the result of the fight. Should Danny's fight vs Tapia not be considered when assesing Danny's resume?
     
  6. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Absolutely. That's the problem with keyboard warriors here. They like to say raw number of victories over contenders is what defines a resume, without providing any context. It's absurd. Someone can be a borderline top contender/sometimes champ who just isn't good enough to be dominant, then after losing championship etc go out and take any fights to get themselves back into contention. A resume is the total context of your professional achievements. If you aren't a dominant champ, losing to some top contenders, but fight a longer time or vigorously try to work your way back to contention, you can collect more victories than dominant champs and some idiots will say that gives you a better resume than the dominant champ, even while you've lost way more to top contenders. That's just not a rational way of looking at it.
     
  7. ArseBandit

    ArseBandit Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Context is what matters.

    Does Hattons résumé get boosted because he was destroyed by Floyd and Pac just because he fought them? No.

    A close loss is different however.
     
  8. KO-KING

    KO-KING Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    in his defence he probably fell asleep
     
  9. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    And you just proved yourself to be a keyboard warrior by making a statement like this without providing any context. :good
     
  10. DabberMatt

    DabberMatt New Member Full Member

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    I think losses can genuinely reflect well on a fighter. I agree about George Groves, and I think Vasyl Lomachenko's recent loss to Salido enhanced him enormously. I wrote a whole blog entry about it recently - I won't repost it all here, but anyone who is interested is invited to go to the link below.

    http://therumpuscompass.com/2014/03/06/on-losing-ones-0/
     
  11. boxingbull

    boxingbull Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yep you cant win them all it also counts how you lose

    Duran going 15 rounds against Hagler when he started as a lightweight is amazing

    De La Hoya losing to Hopkins, Mayweather, Trinidad, Pacquiao shows that he was willing to fight the best (and make money as well lol)

    Mosley fighting Forrest and Wright when nobody wanted to fight those guys is amazing true boxing fans will also agree

    So yea it depends on the circumstances
     
  12. The Mongoose

    The Mongoose I honor my bets banned

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    Nah.
     
  13. DabberMatt

    DabberMatt New Member Full Member

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    In actual fact I make the exact same point in my blog (viz., that the 5 defeats of someone who is 55-5 are very different than those of someone who is 5-5). But I don't think a loss at the end of a fighter's career necessarily diminishes him either. Does anyone think less of Marvin Hagler for the way he lost his last fight to SRL? (Of course, you might think less of him for flouncing off into retirement in Italy in a big huff, but that's a different question.) And another point I allude to in my blog (apologies, I really didn't want to regurgitate it here) - SRL himself lost to Thomas Hearns, then came back and beat him. In my view the victory in the second fight is all the greater for being revenge for the first.

    http://therumpuscompass.com/2014/03/06/on-losing-ones-0/
     
  14. LordSouness

    LordSouness Boxing Addict Full Member

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    There's no shame in losing to ATGs.
     
  15. Liston3

    Liston3 Active Member Full Member

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    I'd say Malignaggi's spirited loss to Cotto benefited his career more than any of his wins at that time.

    It's forgotten about now, but paulie was the first to really push Cotto, who was a beast at 140.