Should Louis have fought more than two black men in his 26 title defenses?

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    No I definitely am not, I'm Mcvey.
     
  2. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    This is untrue he had partial vision in one eye and the other was fine.He had fought for4 years in that condition stop with the lies.:patsch
     
  3. Mendoza

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    In his final fight, Lewis fought Joe Louis, his good friend, for the World Heavyweight Championship on January 25, 1939, and was knocked out in the first round. It was the only knockout loss of his career. Lewis was almost blind in one eye and his eyesight was deteriorating. Louis gave his friend the title fight so he could have one big payday before the eye problem forced him to retire. Facts, not lies. Accept them for once!:lol::lol::lol:

    Further more he retired at age 25 due to his eye sight after the Louis fight. If you have but one working eye, and are near blind in the other you depth perception is shot.
     
  4. mcvey

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    Harry Greb did ok,so did Sam Langford. You need to read Ed Morbius's post because you are directly contradicting him out of ignorance.
     
  5. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Maghoo don't worry about mccvey. He's just a grumpy old bird these days. He's not the same mccvey anymore.

    He's not entirely wrong, and you missed a chance to point out the other mistake ( Maghoo )

    Samuel E. MacVea was the birth name of the former fighter.
     
  6. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Go back and research Lewis after he retired if you really want to put forth that old chestnut that he was going blind.
     
  7. Dubblechin

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    That's not necessarily true. Many have retired early. Leo Randolph retired at 22. Sean O'Grady retired at 24. Barry McGuigan retired at 25 (though he came back for a few fights years later).

    People get burned out.

    Lewis having one bad eye (he wasn't blind) definitely played a huge factor in his case. But so did his 100+ pro fights by the time he was 25.

    To me, Lewis was like Sugar Ray Leonard when he retired at the age of 25 because of a detached retina. Leonard could still fight, and he would've been a tough out for anyone. He just had a bad eye and he wouldn't have been able to legitimately pass the physical because of it.

    Medical procedures had just improved from the time Lewis retired to the time Leonard did (initially). Leonard was able to come back from it.
     
  8. Mendoza

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    1 ) Why did he retire at age 25? It was his bad vision.

    2 ) His vision was for sure on the decline. The boxing hall of fame had this to say on the topic

    If you want to correct the boxing hall of game, go for it!

    [url]http://www.ibhof.com/pages/about/inductees/oldtimer/lewisjohnhenry.html[/url]
     
  9. janitor

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    His eyesight likely did force his retirement, but it might have been to prevent it getting worse, as opposed to because it wasn't good enough for the job.
     
  10. mcvey

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    I'm not interested in twitting Magoo, only Mendozy.
     
  11. mcvey

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    The Boxing Hall Of Game? That's pretty good:happy:lol:Go For It!:bbb
     
  12. klompton2

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    You and several others have tried to make the case that this win is somehow lessened by Lewis being "blind". The fact is that Lewis was never blind and never went blind. Period. He had FAILING vision in one eye and eventually did go blind in that eye AFTER RETIRING. Spin it how you want but beating Lewis at that point was still a damn sight better than beating Lem Franklin, Jimmy Bivins, or Elmer Ray, especially the way Lewis did it.
     
  13. mcvey

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    " They would not listen ,they're not listening still

    Perhaps they never will"

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  14. edward morbius

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    Well, let's compare Dorazio with Franklin

    Total records and winning percentage

    Dorazio-----73-23-1 (98 fights) 74.5% winning percentage

    Franklin-----32-13-1 (48 fights) 67% winning percentage

    KO'd by

    Dorazio-----8 times in 98 fights (1 in every 12 fights)

    Franklin-----8 times in 48 fights (1 in every 6 fights)

    wins over men ranked in The Ring year rankings

    Dorazio-----Bob Godwin, Bob Pastor, Al McCoy, Herbie Katz, Johnny Flynn, Harry Bobo, Buddy Walker, Lou Brooks, Joe Baksi, Al Hart, Nate Bolden, Gunnar Barlund, and Lem Franklin

    Franklin-----Lee Savold, Abe Simon, Jimmy Bivins, Curtis Sheppard, Tony Musto

    One might ask why Dorazio is considered such an easy mark and Franklin the must-be-ducked challenger.

    Over the course of their whole careers, it is clear Dorazio was the better fighter.

    Musto is right near the bottom of Louis' defenses, but has wins over Franklin and Bivins.

    Lewis is dismissed as "blind" but if his word is accepted, he KO'd Fox and Ray while vision impaired. Some might raise a question about what that says about them, especially Fox, who was at his peak.
     
  15. mr. magoo

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    The HBO documentary that came out on Joe Louis several years ago said otherwise. The experts interviewed said that Conn was given little or no chance in their first meeting. I think you may be referring to the rematch where many anticipated a good fight due to Conn's surprising performance in the first bout.