Should Pac only get limited credit for beating an old ,weight drained,shot Oscar

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by trampie, Dec 7, 2008.


  1. trampie

    trampie Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If Calzaghe receives limited credit for beating Roy Jones Jnr,should Mannys victory over an old, weight drained and shot Oscar De La Hoya be seen in the same light ?. De La Hoya had won 3 and lost 3 going into this fight, his last bout been a decision win over Forbes a fighter that had lost 2 of his last 3 fights going into the Oscar bout, Forbes has now lost 4 out of his last 5 fights.
    De La Hoya is 35 years old compared to Manny being 29 years old, i understand from this forum that Manny was even the heavier boxer going into this fight {talk about De La Hoya being weight drained}.
    De La Hoya is so shot that he would not beat anybody inside of the top 30 of any weight division ?{not sure what his weight division is currently} where as Roy Jones would beat everybody outside of the top 5 of his weight division ?
     
  2. Mike_S

    Mike_S Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I'm not limiting any credit, he was 3/1 against going into this fight wasnt he? Most were picking Oscar by way of and plenty were saying he has zero chance. No one is pretending this was a prime Oscar, but it was still a great victory.
     
  3. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    I think it goes without saying.
     
  4. jc

    jc Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Calzaghe 0 Jones and DLH- Pac are not the same, Joe was favoured to beat RJJ and he did so, Pac was an underdog.

    I knew the crack before the fight, we knew DLH isnt at his best and we new he was gonna struggle with weight, and I still pick DLH to knock him out, sighting the fact that its a former flyweight champ fighting a former middleweight champ...mismatch!:patsch
     
  5. iceman71

    iceman71 WBC SILVER Champion Full Member

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    how was he drained? he was 145 for over a month...and that came out of oscars mouth.....
    oscar wasnt show when he nearly shut out steve forbes a few months earlier.....
    another idiot thread....also check the predictions and the odds...everyone favored DLH!!
    dude got beat down...it happens...give the winner credit instead of making excuses for the loser
     
  6. ApatheticLeader

    ApatheticLeader is bringing ***y back. Full Member

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    Um, RJJ had proven in MANY prior fights that he wasn't the same fighter since coming down in weight. It hadn't been proven with DLH that he wasn't the same.

    "Proven" being the operative word. Stop clutching at straws.
     
  7. Bonavena25

    Bonavena25 Vamos! Full Member

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    I thought Manny would be too much for Oscar before the fight due to Oscar:

    a)Not having the right hand that works so well against Southpaws

    b)His left being negated by the herky jerky Pacquiao movement.

    However, I was surprised by how little Oscar threw. I think being shot has a part to do with it but Oscar had a tendency in his career to stand there like an idiot when things were going against him and he didn't know what to do. Against Hopkins, Mayweather, and now against Pacquiao.
     
  8. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    It happens over night sometime.

    However, Oscar hasn't quite been the same Golden Boy for a long time. A lot of people were underwhelmed with his performance against Forbes last time out. There were warning signs, just nobody thought Oscar was past his best to the point of being shot. An Oscar that isn't competitive at 147, is a shot Oscar as far as I'm concerned. There was nothing in the performance to suggest otherwise.
     
  9. mad_takamura

    mad_takamura It's getting hot in here! Full Member

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    Who did you voted to win before this fight ever happened?
    Ahhh i see: another hypocrite!!!
     
  10. Monstar

    Monstar The Future.. Full Member

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    shut the hell up........
     
  11. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Stop making your love for Pacquiao cloud your judgement. The thread brings up good points.

    It doesn't matter who was the favourite before the fight, it wasn't apparent that Oscar was in terrible shape until the opening bell rang.
     
  12. theunderdog

    theunderdog Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    he was weight drained and he managed to be 2 pounds under the limit? right.

    please dont start with the calzaghe **** again. your boy was dropped by rjj and only managed a ud. pac arguably won every round and made dlh, a guy who only been stopped once, quit on his stool. how are they even?
     
  13. itrymariti

    itrymariti CaƱas! Full Member

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    Manny's victory is a bit more convincing than Calzaghe's given the massive weight jump and the fact that he totally destroyed a bigger man and KTFO'd him. Calzaghe outboxed RJJ just slapped him to death in the end.
     
  14. trampie

    trampie Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Thats all the bookies odds are telling us is they did not think that Manny is all that good, but they think that Calzaghe is good :lol:
     
  15. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Oscar was KTFO? I thought he retired on his stool.