Should Pavlik box with Abraham?

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  1. BITCH ASS

    BITCH ASS "Too Fast" Full Member

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    Abraham is not an asthetically pleasing fighter to watch as he has little to no head movement and his footwork is only good for about two rounds, as he lets his opponent bang on his gloves and tire themselves out.

    What he does have is power and a great chin. In fact, I didn't realize his chin was as sturdy as it is because even when you block all those punches with your gloves, you still feel some impact, and that's especially true when your opponent is a normally destructive puncher like Miranda.

    Abraham fits the profile of a protypical slugger, aka, a guy that doesn't like to move around a lot, and just wants to bang you out and go home, the sooner the better. He's the type of fighter who will have a short prime, but eventually all those punches he's absorbing to his dome will catch up to him and slow him down.

    What's funny is that posters on this board call him "hardly one-dimensional," when he in fact is one dimensional as a fighter can be.

    His footwork and headmovement hardly would lead one to believe that he is a capable of being a fantastic boxer, and his lack of speed and low volume of output don't make him a good candadite for a volume puncher either.

    With all this said, many fighers have been one dimensional and had extremelly exceptional skills and with Abraham's power and chin, it's possible that he may be one of those fighters that have that kind of ability.

    This brings me to the question that is the title of the thread.

    Should Pavlik box Abraham?

    To me, it doesn't seem like you need to be an extrodinary boxer to beat Abraham, but you at least have to be decent on your feet. You have to let him get off first, and you have to take angles and change directions as often as possible. If you let him set his, feet he can land a haymaker that can take you out.

    Abraham is a very hard puncher.

    While Pavlik is smarter than Miranda and will land to the body with more frequency and ferocity, and while he's not prone to making the same defensive mistakes as Miranda, IE, backing up with your hands not protecting your chin or just not keeping your hands by your chin in general when not throwing punches, it is still a dangerous fight because Abraham is such a powerful hitter.

    So even though Pavlik rarely gets hit unless he's throwing punches, which in his case is quite often, it still puts him in a position where Abraham can land a power punch that could take Pavlik off his feet. It's probably a good thing that Pavlik watched how Abraham handled Miranda because he may not have respected Abraham as much as he respected Taylor for instance, who gained his respect by knocking Pavlik down.

    So, should Pavlik just go about his business and try to mow Abraham down or use his height and superior boxing ability to lure Abraham into a fight that's not in his comfort level and make him be the aggressor?

    Personally, I think Pavlik should box. Afterall, he was a defensive fighter when he was in the amateurs and that's why he supposedly got his name as "The Ghost." And while Abraham will have a puncher's chance if Pavlik decides to box him, I think if Pavlik goes right towards Abraham, he would be fighting Abraham's fight.
     
  2. Ted Stickles

    Ted Stickles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Id like to see Kelly
    fight kessler
     
  3. smoochp

    smoochp Da flyest1 Full Member

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    i WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE WINNER FIGHT kESSLER OR bUTE
     
  4. HauntingTheHoly

    HauntingTheHoly Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yep. Pavlik should play it safety first and out work AA for 12 rounds.

    I realize nobody wants to hear that, but........
     
  5. TFFP

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    I don't understand the question?

    If its what I think, then I'd expect Pavlik to box. Jab, combinations, get AA on the ropes. But neither fighter will mind this. Pavlik is outworking him and scoring points, but its not really bothering Abraham if he just beats his gloves to death

    The more Pavlik comes forward, the more chance Abraham has with his unpredictable counters, and the more chance he lays Pavlik out.
     
  6. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    That will be a good idea but Pavlik will just charge in and stalk Abraham down which will make Abraham feel comfortable countering all night. Pavlik will be too predictable for Abraham in my opinion and Abraham has an iron chin for Pavlik to land 1 big shot and end it, if Pavlik wants to end it he needs to land and land a lot, something Abraham will be prepared well enough for. Don't forget that Abraham can also punch real hard with either hand and Pavlik has been hurt/dropped before.
     
  7. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    A fight with Abraham is way bigger at this point and Pavlik already said he plans to stay at Middleweight and dominate, not a bad idea considering there's a lot to choose from, unlike the SMW division.
     
  8. Hatesrats

    Hatesrats "I'm NOT Suprised..." Full Member

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    Abraham would be a big prob for Pavlik.
    I was very impressed with AA's defense more so than his power.
    Miranda was throwing bomb's and AA just absorbed them all with very little damage taken.

    Pavlik is defo a step above "Pantera" but, prob not as fast.
    Kelly will defo have to utilise his Boxing skills and establish his "jab"
     
  9. El Matador

    El Matador Your Boxing Authority Full Member

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    No, I don't think so.

    Taking a more defensive aproach against Abraham would play right into Abraham's comfort level. Pavlik should be aggressive, use that double jab, and keep his guard up. When Abraham puts up his defensive shell-technique, Pavlik should unload.

    It is not difficult to outwork Abraham - and if Pavlik uses intelligent pressure, he would have a good chance.
     
  10. Ted Stickles

    Ted Stickles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    While i would like to see him fight kessler i would most definately welcome an Abraham fight..
     
  11. smoochp

    smoochp Da flyest1 Full Member

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    We just need this fight to happen. This is the second biggest fight in my opinion of the year besides Cotto vs Margo
     
  12. El Matador

    El Matador Your Boxing Authority Full Member

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    No doubt about it. Forget Mikkel Kessler, Pavlik-Abraham is the next big Middleweight Showdown. And rightfully so.
     
  13. BITCH ASS

    BITCH ASS "Too Fast" Full Member

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    Personally, I think he needs to box. Abraham is a slugger. Pavlik needs to stay on the outside, and make Abraham try to bring the fight to him.

    Abraham is dangerous as hell on the inside, which is where Miranda decided to let him get after being frusterated that his punches weren't having the effect that he wanted them to, but Abraham is not really explosive on his feet.

    IE: He would have trouble with a guy that's rangy that can keep him at a distance and would find himself lunging in which would make him easier to hit.

    The problem is that Abraham hits so hard that he's gonna be dangerous no matter what, but you gotta learn how to handle him. The inside is defenitely not where you want him to be.
     
  14. smoochp

    smoochp Da flyest1 Full Member

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    Thank you and to bad Sturm never wanted to get in the mix. But those superfights will happen. We need to the divinson to be unified
     
  15. Hatesrats

    Hatesrats "I'm NOT Suprised..." Full Member

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    In all honesty, As much as I like Miranda...
    he is not known for his defense, once he was hurt in the fight.
    I knew he was going to get knocked out, he fight's back as his defense.
    He does not know how to react when he is in trouble.

    I think Pavlik showed the same type of tendancy when he fought Taylor. (I)
    That said, I defo belive Pavlik takes a better shot than Edison.