Should people be less harsh on fighters who decide to quit in a fight on their own volition?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Flo_Raiden, Jul 24, 2019.

  1. Flo_Raiden

    Flo_Raiden Boxing Addict Full Member

    Oct 12, 2010
    I've made a post in another thread asking if people should be less critical on fighters who decide to quit in the middle of a fight. Too many people nowadays are so quick to trash on fighters who decide to not want to fight anymore and label them as "quitters". Roberto Duran was ridiculed for it. Andrew Golota was also heavily ridiculed by the crowd when he "quit" against Tyson even though he had heavy injuries. Victor Ortiz was usually known for it as well. And most recently Guillermo Rigondeaux had plenty of people mocking him after he quit against Loma when it appeared that he wasn't getting badly hurt despite being thoroughly outboxed.

    After the most recent tragedy with Dadashev do you think that quitting a fight should be acceptable at this point?
    Last edited: Jul 24, 2019
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  2. META5

    META5 Active Member Full Member

    Jun 28, 2005
    The problem with Dadashev as the focal point of any opinion is we are judging a warrior sport - by nature, in war, there are unfortunately going to be casualties.

    I have no problem with a man quitting, respecting his opponent and knowing his own limitations, wanting to preserve his health. I just refuse to rank him alongside those that demonstrated their warrior mettle countless times over the length of a glorious career, except in exceptional circumstances and with consideration to their entire body of work e.g. SRR against Maxim, Duran vs Leonard in No Mas etc.

    I think a major part of the vulnerability is the amount of weight draining fighters do to make weight. It decreases the fluid around the brain, making it more prone to crash against the skull and lead to irreversible damage. If they changed the weigh in rules, in addition to having more supervision to fighters who have been knocked out previously or just battered from pillar to post, then hopefully, the amount of tragic incidents would decrease - not to say that the occurence is very high in the first place.

    In conclusion, any fighter that steps into the ring puts his life on the line and thus, he earns my respect. If he wants glory and to be ranked amongst the elite, then quitting isn't usually something that can be done and still maintain your claim to round-robin with the Gods of War.
  3. BCS8

    BCS8 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Aug 21, 2012
    I think it really depends on the circumstances. If a guy is just there to fall and get a paycheck then **** him. If he's busted up and its obvious he's got nothing left in the tank, then, sure, ok. It's a fight for a win, not to the death.
  4. HerolGee

    HerolGee Obsessed with Boxing booted Full Member

    Sep 22, 2010
    Circumstances really. A bum quitting against a titlist is nothing, a titlist quitting against a noone is a shambles.
  5. Kratos

    Kratos Well-Known Member Full Member

    Jan 27, 2014
    the only times a fighter should be ridiculed is if there's an obvious dive like they get hit on the glove and go down, people can't understand how a punch can effect a fighter even if it doesn't look bad. like i made many posts and am still annoyed on how people were abusing joshua after getting his ass kicked by ruiz and was called quitter, he kept on going and still did not quit when the referee called it off and even if he did quit after getting beaten down in round 3 then he should have been able to quit without being bashed. and yes that situation with golota was horrible, everybody was against him until it turned out he had a broken cheekbone, vertebrae and a concussion and if he didn't quit he could have died. it's pathetic how mean people are to fighters.

    shame on all the people involved in the boxing industry who continue to disrespect fighters, what's especially bad is fellow boxers bashing other fighters because they should know what it feels to get hurt.

    this isn't a fight to the death, people should understand that.
  6. deyell

    deyell I broke my back. Spinal. Full Member

    Aug 10, 2015
    Definitely if they received a severe punishment before quitting. But if they quit like Rigo or Walters did against Loma...? I don't think so then.
  7. DoubleJab666

    DoubleJab666 October 31st, 2019 Full Member

    Nov 9, 2015
    I very much doubt Dadashev had any clue during the fight that something was awry, so when could he have decided to withdraw from the fight with certainty it would have preserved his life? Who knows, the damage may have been done in the early rounds.

    It's natural to question the sport when someone dies in the ring but, eventually, we will all move on from the upset a death causes and revert to type. Namely people who love boxing. I'm sure Dadashev loved boxing too, in just the same way we do but more so because he lived the sport.

    It does anger me when people talk of boxers as 'cowards' or 'bums' because no boxer is either for the mere fact they step in the ring and take punches for our sporting entertainment. I said AJ quit in his fight with Ruiz but was clear to make the distinction between quitting and a quitter. He was exhausted and taking heavy punches with little strength to resist them. Maybe he was wise that night, with five rounds to go.

    But I would never call a boxer a quitter, a bum or a coward. I wish others would avoid these slurs too.

    RIP Dadashev...
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  8. BCS8

    BCS8 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Aug 21, 2012
    Loma inflicted spiritual damage to Rigo. Rigo genuinely thought that he was going to whoop Loma and when he realised that he needed a ladder to even get to the same level it was worse than if he got KO'd.
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  9. cslb

    cslb Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Jan 27, 2014
    Damn straight. They are not in the ring getting their asses kicked. It's the boxer's livelihood and they know the repercussions for quitting. If they feel they can't continue then they should quit. I have no interest in seeing someone take a severe beating in the ring.
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  10. GK BOX

    GK BOX Boxing Addict Full Member

    Nov 23, 2015
    I’ve never had an issue with a fighter quitting in the ring. It’s his life at the end of the day and his record. Some fans are bloodthirsty cretins
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  11. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot El gran campeón Mexicano Full Member

    Mar 5, 2012
    both rigo and Walters had nothing they where just taking unnecessary damage even from feather fisted loma
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  12. Serge

    Serge Vampire Slayer Staff Member

    Jul 21, 2009
    I've never held it against a fighter for quitting and especially if they've taken a beating. If a fighter is genuinely worried about their health and that they might suffer a serious injury, quit. If a fighter is injured and is worried they might lose the sight in their eye or their career might be seriously compromised by fighting on, quit. No fighter should risk losing their sight or suffering serious injury or even death just to satiate the bloodlust of fans boxing is a sport and they have to live with the consequences not us.
  13. LANCE99

    LANCE99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Mar 11, 2016
    It's usually just a few jerks here who insist a fighter is a coward for quitting in the ring. Guys who wouldn't dare talk smack to a fighter's face..
  14. channy

    channy Well-Known Member Full Member

    Feb 2, 2015
    Most of the criticism comes from people who have never had a fight in their life, or are just jumping on the back of someone because they would never "Quit".

    When anyone enters the square ring they have to have balls to get in there regardless of their ability, and that demands respect regardless how it ends.
  15. Ironmanmt

    Ironmanmt Member Full Member

    Apr 23, 2019
    We see it all the time on this board and It is pretty disgusting really. A fighter gets labeled a quitter yet the same person doing the labeling is in another thread doing the RIP nonsense. You cant have it both ways. I don't care if a fighter is the real life version of glass jaw joe, it takes balls to get in the ring knowing you are going to take punishment.

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