Should professional boxing introduce the "super-heavyweight" division?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by dcarlota, Apr 30, 2025.


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  1. Yes, I believe that the heavyweight division has fighters too large, we need a new division

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  2. No, I believe that the heavyweight division should exceed no limit, we don't need a new division

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  1. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hell no. Maybe when the top HWs are ALL huge giants at 6'6" and over 255 for a LONG SPELL, then maybe consider it. But that's not the case.
     
  2. Camps

    Camps Member Full Member

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    Agreeing with everyone here. That's what Bridgerweight is already for: For all its faults, at least it's there for guys at 225 or under who don't feel competitive against guys who have 50 lbs. on them.

    And when you have relatively smaller or lighter heavyweights like Kabayel, Torrez, Itauma and of course Usyk -- not to mention Wilder before Fury (and Steward) showed everyone the gameplan to beat him -- defeating much heavier guys, it sort of underscores the lack of need for a Superheavy division.

    It seems we have a consensus. ;)
     
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  3. bjl12

    bjl12 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Same w "bridgerweight" - no thanks.
     
  4. bjl12

    bjl12 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wilder was also a small HW (comparatively) who had success for a period and obviously Usyk - the "middleweight" - just dominated the giants AJ and Fury four times in a row.

    Weight and size absolutely matter but theyre clearly not absolute. There is speculation that humans have an optimal frame for boxing and very few people think it looks like Fury or AJ or Valuev and many people think it looks like Ali or Holmes or Usyk, etc.
     
  5. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    Frank Gilfeather, a Scottish boxing coach and former amateur who fought Ken Buchanan, is very popular on social media these days.

    Frank stated that one reason he picked Usyk to beat Fury is because Fury struggles to throw powerful combinations. He can throw maybe 2 or a maximum of 3 shots before he has to reset himself.

    I agree. Fury is a terrific fighter and his movement and coordination for a man of his size is amazing but clearly his size limits him to some degree, particularly in throwing combinations.

    Ali, Holmes, Usyk etc. have the perfect combination of height, size and movement.
     
  6. JunlongXiFan

    JunlongXiFan 45-6 in Kirks Chmpionshp Boxing Predictions 2022 Full Member

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    I'm pretty sure it's just that there way more Usyk sized guys than 6'5+ guys. If you look at the number of top 6'5+ HWs compared to how many there are in the world you see they are overrepresented at the top

    6'5+ boxers

    Joyce
    Dubois
    Joshua
    Fury
    Zhang
    Bakole
    Hrgovic

    6'5 is 6x rarer than 6'3 in the US. Despite that, there's more 6'5+ guys than 6'2-6'4 guys
     
  7. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    Usyk has shown that exceptional small men can still compete but that is a once in lifetime level fighter.
     
  8. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    No it shouldn't.

    Usyk has proven conclusively that you don't have to be a behemoth to dominated this division.

    For years everyone said where the next guy who's 6'3 200 pounds and cleaning house, well we've had him. His name is Usyk.
     
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  9. bjl12

    bjl12 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    There are legit boxing experts, Breadman from bscene for example, who have gone on record suggesting the best HW frame is 6-6'3"
     
  10. JunlongXiFan

    JunlongXiFan 45-6 in Kirks Chmpionshp Boxing Predictions 2022 Full Member

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    I'm providing analysis based on statistics. 6'5+ 6x rarer than 6'3+ yet most top heavies are 6'5+. That implies 6'5+ has a large advantage

    Top heavies:
    Chisora (6'1)
    Usyk (6'3)
    Parker (6'4)
    Kabayel (6'3)
    Joyce (6'6)
    Dubois (6'5)
    Joshua (6'6)
    Fury (6'9)
    Zhang (6'6)
    Bakole (6'6)
    Hrgovic (6'6)

    7 to 4 6'5+ 8 to 3 6'4+ 6 to 5 6'6+
     
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  11. FrankinDallas

    FrankinDallas FRANKINAUSTIN

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    Eventually there will have to be a larger division. The NFL just drafted a 400+ pound guard; nor that long ago 250 pounds was considered big.

    Will there be effective 350 pound HW's someday? Maybe. Would they be too much for a 225-250 pound HW? Probably.
     
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  12. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Just as Sullivan would've wanted.
     
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  13. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Which is consistent with bigger fighters beating small fighters so regularly across such a stretch of time that all combat sports have weight classes.

    And for that matter, in species where males engage in combat (for mates, status, etc.) with each other, the males tend to be larger than females. Which would be a right peculiar trend if size didn't matter.
     
  14. DanielDimov

    DanielDimov Jabbing all night Full Member

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    We barely have anyone decent in the HW division, what is left for a newer one.. it would be pointless as bridgerweight
     
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  15. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    220 lbs is big enough to beat any other man on earth. youre big enough to carry the power needed to crack any skull, but small enough to move quickly and for long periods of time without emptying yourself out.
    same reason you dont see professional pitbull fights at 100 lbs. because plenty of guys could pit their 80 lb bulldog against you and wreck your dog, who is too slow and doesnt have the wind for a fight to the death. boxing is not just a contest of strength. its a contest of everything.
     
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