should referees just let the fight continue on a close 10 count?

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  1. BlueBottle

    BlueBottle Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ok, I wanted to see more of the fight but the referee counted Rubio out tonight. It seems to happen quite often now where the fighter who isn't that hurt tries to time the 10 count, but the referee seems to not give the benefit of the doubt and count them out. To me this scenarios is similar to a football game when you see the play clock reaching zero and simultaneously the ball is snapped. It seems to me a football referee always give the benefit of the doubt to the team and not calling a penalty.

    So for tonight, Rubio was down but OK so he tried to take as much time as possible and the referee should have recognized the situation and let the fight continue and really no one would have complained or questioned the referee's judgement.
     
  2. WildStyle

    WildStyle J.C. Penny's belt $2.99 banned

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    Jack wanted it to be over so he counted a bit faster towards the end but it didn't matter.
     
  3. moparfan

    moparfan ESB's glass jawed fraud Full Member

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    Gotta weigh the Pros & Cons:

    Say Fighter A knocks down Fighter B, Fighter B gets up as your scenario suggests at the count of 10, he would be the loser....

    but what reprecussions would the Athletic Commision, Promoter & Referee incur if Fighter B gets up and either:
    A) Gets knocked out & suffers a major injury or death. Or
    B) What if Fighter B gets up and KO's Fighter A.

    Its a double edge sword: Catch 22 type situation
     
  4. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    Many/most close ten counts involve a fighter that really wants a way out without looking like a quitter. I think you'd still see plenty of guys pushing their luck enough to just lose so they can pretend they got jobbed later.
     
  5. RememberingC.S.

    RememberingC.S. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think yes, they definitely should.
    It's not a punch more than ruins your career when you've taken 10000.

    And if they stop the fight, no matter how hurt and outclassed the opponent is, if they stop it while they are standing there's always a fishy premature stoppage suspect.

    Let a fighter finish his job. 12 rounds of beating are way worse than 15 seconds of it.
     
  6. RememberingC.S.

    RememberingC.S. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This is also very true :-(
     
  7. rhin0z>

    rhin0z> Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Donair stood up did not face the ref and walked in the opposite direction. when the ref went to grab donair he fell against the ropes. He was done. Good call ref. Boxing is brutal enough we dont need fighters damaged for life.
     
  8. bluebird

    bluebird Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That's the whole point of a 10 count. 10 counts and you're out.. so no.
     
  9. Estes

    Estes Active Member Full Member

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    As a general rule I think if you can't count to 10 properly, you ARE too hurt.
     
  10. jim jim

    jim jim Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm with you if there basically up in time let them fight call it if he's in trouble then
     
  11. Collie

    Collie Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Fighters shouldnt take the risk of leaving it until 9 or 10 to get up, if they do its their own fault. If they are able to and want to continue they should be up by 8
     
  12. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    If a fighter cannot seriously time a ten count properly, then they are probably either ******ed or are more seriously hurt/stunned than it looks like and it's probably fair to stop the fight. I mean seriously is counting to 10 really that hard? If at that time you don't have the mental faculties of a 2-3 year child should you really be allowed to continue?
     
  13. Estes

    Estes Active Member Full Member

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    This. I mean, the referee even had the decency to count in Spanish :lol:
     
  14. Jeff3300

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    The count is never meant to actually be 10 scientifically covered seconds. There’s time between the fall and the 1, always. This is the misconception that gave us the Tyson-Douglas "controversy." What we are supposed to get is a consistent count, where the distance between 1 and 2 is the same as the one between 9 and 10. Weiss fails here, although we do generally agree, in a fight that was never meant to be a fight…fair enough.
     
  15. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    Good point.

    I understand the frustration from the OP, though. I don't like seeing a guy pop up at 10 and act like he can continue only to have it waived off, but they either a) know what they're doing and it's no accident they waited that long, or b) like you said, are legitimately more hurt than they appear.

    As such, I don't know if extending the grace period by a half second to after 10 from exactly 10 is going to fix either of those. As long as guys aren't getting 15-20 seconds thanks to a slow count, I'm o.k. with it.