Should something be done to stop weight cutting before weigh-ins?

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  1. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    What would happen, and what did happen when there were same-day weigh-ins, is that a different set of fighters would rise to the top.

    I'm a big Canelo fan, but no way he's a world-class fighter if he had to weigh in on the same day as he'd be an undersized super middle or light heavy. So he wouldn't be a contender, much less a champ. Someone who could naturally make 160 just by hard training (a la Marvin Hagler) would be the dominant middleweight. Same for all the other non-heavyweight classes.
     
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  2. qwertyblahblah

    qwertyblahblah Boxing Addict Full Member

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    True, it would give those who don't cut weight a much better chance. But making weight-cutting riskier is just creating a new problem. And in my opinion a worse problem, because it would likely be dangerous. Multiple weigh-ins would enforce weight parity, and that should be the way to go.
     
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  3. like a boss

    like a boss Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Makes a lot of sense.
     
  4. like a boss

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    Closer to 100% I'd say.
     
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  5. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    We can say that they all do it so the playing field is level, but a quick look at the heights of top ten fighters in each division will show that they can't all be cutting at the same rate. There's about a five inch difference between the shortest guys in a division and the tallest guys. Some of that is do to different body types, but an equal, or possibly greater amount has to be due to weight cutting. I'm looking at 7 or 8 inch height gaps in some of these divisions. How can that be fair?

    HW champ: Joshua 6'6", short Povetkin 6'2, tall Wilder 6'7", Avg. 6'5"
    CW champ: Usyk 6'3", short Lebedev 5'11", tall Gassiev 6'3.5", Avg. 6'2"
    LHW champ: Ward 6', short Pascal 5'10.5", tall Gvozdyk 6'2", Avg. 6'
    SMW champ: Ramirez 6'2.5", short Abraham 5'9", tall Ramirez 6'2.5", Avg. 6'
    MW champ: Golovkin 5'10", short Khurtsidze 5'4", tall Charlo 6', Avg. 5'11"
    JMW champ: Canelo 5'9", short Bundrage 5'6", tall Hurd 6'1", Avg. 5'11"
    WW champ: Thurman 5'7.5", short Pacquiao 5'5.5", tall Eggington 5'11", Avg. 5'8.5"
    SLW champ: Crawford 5'8", short Diaz 5'5.5", tall Barthelemy 5'11", Avg. 5'8"
    LW champ: Linares 5'8", short Roman 5'5", tall Easter 5'11", Avg. 5'7.5"
     
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  6. JeremyCorbyn

    JeremyCorbyn Active Member Full Member

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    Yes, definitely.

    Same day weigh ins will make the sport more dangerous, because some fighters WILL dehydrate on the day of the fight if they are left with the choice between that and having the fight cancelled and losing their purse (or losing their right to fight for a belt). This will inevitably translate into more deaths when fighters come into the ring dangerously dehydrated.

    There are people in the world who are just waiting in the wings ready to take the sport we love away from us... no point giving them more ammunition.

    Multiple weigh ins has to be the way to go, unless a test exists where you can accurately measure if someone is dangerously dehydrated.
     
  7. Staminakills

    Staminakills Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    When was fmj ever severely dehydrated, you're just spreading nonsense that 5th through people's like you party.

    What's so hard to grasp, really ?? You're still this sour Pac got taken to grade school ??? Fmj wss training his ass off for Pac (thought pac wss coming to win) usada wanted their urine sample, fmj couldn't produce quick enough so they feed him fluids. Fyi: IV fluids make you urinate much quicker.

    That's lots to understand, I get it. Difficult for the schooling you received
     
  8. Staminakills

    Staminakills Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ok, so in your mind canelo wouldn't stay in the gym ? But every other fight would ? Canelo is elite level talent, he'd be a Champ no matter what. He'd just train all your round, fight at ww where he'd be one of the bigger and stronger welters.

    Unless of course he's the only fighter that isn't dedicated enough not adaptable enough to change with the rules.

    Some of you are so sad, you make it your goal to hate on a single (one of the very best too) fighter,. weird, how a single fighter owns so much space in your brain and heart.

    Fyi: you to realise you're one of canelo most loyal fans, why hate on the fighter you concentrate on the most
     
  9. nervousxtian

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    Height is only one part of the equation when you consider weight.

    Some guys cut weight easier, and some cut it easy one time and not so easy another.

    Honestly I don't think it's as big of a problem as people think it is. Draining to get to a weight you have to go to extremes makes it really hard to have the stamina to be really good... but being able to fight down a division or 2 from walking weight has advantages.. the times it's a problem is as a guy ages and doesn't change weight classes at the right time as their body makes it harder to cut that weight.

    Unless you do multiple weigh-ins you won't solve this, and that's expensive to do realistically.. as how do you truly prove a guy does it.. you can't afford to send a rep out all over the place to do it as 90% of the cards don't get enough of a gate to cover that.

    Same day is more dangerous.

    Leave it as.
     
  10. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    I looked over some numbers. Pac tends to rehydrate about 3 pounds. His opponents rehydrate 13-20 pounds. Same goes for Guillermo Rigondeaux, although mostly his opponents only outweigh him by about ten pounds.

    Guys like Broner, Rios, and Chavez Jr serially abused the weight cut system and would tend to have 15 lb advantages against some opponents.
     
  11. S.K

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    He would still be a contender, absolutely no question about it.

    I'm not even a Canelo fan but this is obvious.
     
  12. Farmboxer

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    Should be same day weigh-ins..................
     
  13. sponge

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    Canelo can go down to 155 and rehydrate to 180++ pounds because he do that with his age.