Should Sumbu Kalambay rank above James Toney?

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  1. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm guessing most will say no.

    I'd like to hear an explanation as to why that is if I can get it.
     
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  2. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    Nunn, McCallum, Jirov, Holyfield, Barkley, Johnson, Sosa, Littles, Williams, Ruiz, DeWitt, 4-division champion, longevity, not getting sparked out in a single round in his prime or ever, etc.
     
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  3. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Pretty much sums up what I would say.

    Kalamaby did match some of Toney's big wins, but didn't have quite enough of them, and getting sparked by future Toney victim Nunn is basically a deathblow as far as this discussion is concerned.

    Having said that, I always thought Kalambay could've beaten Toney H2H.
     
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  4. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Also for a period Toney was considered along with Whitaker the finest fighter on the planet, pound for pound. Did Kalambay ever even crack the top ten? It is debatable at best...
     
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  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Thread nailed in three posts I should say.

    Kalambay beating Toney is an interesting thing though, any particular reasons M2S and anyone else feel the same way?
     
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  6. Mr Butt

    Mr Butt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    i agree with these two quotes , i know this is going against the grain on this board but i feel that kalambay is getting a little overrated on here.and his chances of beating toney for me depend on what toney enters the ring
     
    Mr Butt, May 26, 2011
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  7. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So who did Toney beat that 'matches' a prime Mike McCallum? Toney was having all he could handle with an aging version and probably should have lost to him in the second fight.

    I can see what people are saying about the the multiple divisions thing, but to me Toney's longevity isn't that profound when you consider that a lot of it is built off of beating or being competitive with B-listers and shot fighters.

    Kind of like the B-Hop syndrome of feasting on nothing more than ok fighters. At least Toney didn't stage manage it as much though, credit to him for that.

    Just a thought though: does the fact that Toney struggled and lost to journeymen like Thadzi and Tiberi not count for something? Does the fact that he did no more than hold his own with a Montell Griffin not lower his standing?

    On a h2h matchup, I'd favour Kalambay. A lesser version of Sumbu in Reggie Johnson gave TOney all he could handle. I wouldn't make Sumbu a huge favourite though, because Toney could always level it with one punch.

    On the one punch Ko: to me that's a lesser sin than getting outhustled over the distance by journeymen (on multiple occasions).
     
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  8. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    I demand Pachilles come in here and call you a hipster, SS. Immediately.
     
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  9. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah, Toney was always more popular.
     
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  10. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    A step up from an out and out troll I spose. I'll take it :good
     
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  11. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Because he was a good boxer with good movement, which Toney struggled with.
     
    sweet_scientist, May 26, 2011
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  12. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    :lol:
     
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  13. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Cause Toney had problems with fighters that had good footwork and fast on their feet. Kalambay had both. He "just" needs to dictate distance the fight is fought at - which he can with his footwork and jab - and he can get the win. Easier said than done though. I favour Kalambay but it will be closer than SS seems to think.
     
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  14. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    The answer is a simple "no".,,,and I'm NOT a fan of Toney's.
     
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  15. Pachilles

    Pachilles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You are the boxing enthusiast equivalent of this...

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVmmYMwFj1I[/ame]
     
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