Should Teofimo Lopez be regarded as the Undisputed Lightweight World Champion?

Bob/ Top Rank ain't the problem. It's fighters.

 

From what I recall the franchise belt was non-transferable. It was never meant to establish a fighter as the WBC number 1.

The rule was if you beat the franchise champion Loma when he was fighting at lightweight, you were then next inline to fight the actual WBC champion.

So when Loma took that belt he reliquinshed the WBC title. And Haney became the lightweight WBC champion.

It was only after the fact, that the WBC then decided oh wait, the franchise title is transferrable, and basically want to pretend it is and always was the same as the WBA super title.

Teo should fight Haney if he wants to be undisputed. Otherwise it is disputed

 

I put unsurew

Looez beating loma waz huge

But did lona duck Haney?

Who has a more legit wbc claim

You can argue it. Id preger lopez and Haney fight it out

 

I don't like that he won't rematch Loma either and for that reason, my own personal view is that he is not an ' undisputed' champion. I won't argue if you believe he is, he holds all the bull**** belts, fair enough. I lose count and get confused with who has what belt, I am getting older . There's is certainly 'dispute' in how loma-lopez was scored. You shouldn't just go by what belt belongs to which fighter, in my opinion. In a lot of cases you can, say if Usyk fought Fury and there was a clear winner, without controversy. Of course then you have a legit, undisputed champ but in this case, it doesn't pass the cut and dried test with lopez-loma. The Haney stuff is nonense and clear bias is being shown with that point of view.

 

Lopez beat loma no argument

The only question mark is how legitimate is Haneys claim

No one seems all that interested to fight him

 

It comes down to this. Do you want to give validity to the WBC's franchise nonsense or not? The WBC franchise champion is a made up title that isn't fixed to a weight division. If Teo moves up tomorrow, he can call himself the Franchise Champion of 140lb, which is bull**** considering what Taylor has achieved to become undisputed at 140lbs. Personally, I am not going to pretend it is the WBC title to make things convenient for Teo fans, and those who don't want to respect Haney's position as the WBC champion at 135lbs.

At the end of the day, Haney being mandatory was an inconvenience for Loma, so he dropped the belt to make the fight against Teo. Loma was the #1 guy lightweight when Teo fought him, but he wasn't the WBC champion, Haney was.

There were only a few solutions to the problem:
1) Loma fought his mandatory in Haney, then fought Teo (= undisputed champion).
2) They pay Haney step aside and he would be contracted to fight the winner of Teo v Loma (= undisputed champion).
3) Elevate every WBC champion in each division, to franchise status, and have a WBC regular title (don't think anyone wants that)
4) Loma drops the belt. The WBC give him up some pretend title, which isn't fixed to a division but has primacy over all WBC divisional titles; done for their own enrichment but to the detriment of the sport.

The solution they chose settled who was #1 in the division, but didn't give us an undisputed champion.

 

When a fighter with 3 of the belts fights the man with the other belt, the winner becomes the undisputed champ.

"Undisputed" in boxing means having all 4 titles in a single weight class. They dont even have to be ranked #1. Being that Teofimo is also everyones #1 at the weight, it is very strange to insist or even float around the notion that he is not exactly that.

 

https://boxrec.com/en/event/813487/2523547

Only three belts were fought over that night:
WBA super world light title
IBF world light title
WBO world light title


https://www.*****.net/2019/10/24/vasyl-lomachenko-wbc-franchise-champ/

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In essence, every fight in which Loma now competes will be a WBC mandatory fight. If Loma wins there’s no change in his or the opponent’s status.

Subsequently, should the challenger win, he WILL NOT become Franchise champion. Instead will be the next in line for the other WBC champion of that division.


Lomachenko won the vacant belt in 2019. Then dropped it. Haney was elevated. Haney made his first title defence before Teo even fought Comey for the IBF.

Lomachenko made 0 WBC title defences.

Haney has so far made 3 WBC title defences.

Question to everyone, how many defences has Teo made?

 

i understand the technical definitions. but sometimes the circumstances dont reflect what the definition is suppose to establish. just like the term lineal. its suppose to denote the guy who beat the guy. which goes out the window if the lineal retires with his title. the new lineal never really beat the guy who beat the guy. its a whole new line. undisputed is suppose to tell us that that champ beat all other real threats to his throne. which teo hasnt, he beat 1 threat. and all those other threats were around when he beat that 1 threat, and theyre still there. so technically he may hold those belts, but he is still very much under threat.

 

I forgot Lomo dropped his belt in the trash can to not fight Haney.

WBC is ridiculous. Truly absurd.

 

I agree with the first half, disagree with the second half. I guess lineal is up to the beholder so why cant undisputed be? Its all whatever anyway.

But either way my post was actually wrong, so my bad. I forgot Lomo had trash canned his WBC belt... while still holding one. Just stupid. WBC sucks. Well, if that hadnt happened then I would stand by my post completely.

 

There is always a dispute. But not by people who should breed.