Should the separate Heavyweights and Super Heavyweights?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Nanaki, Mar 30, 2014.


  1. SweetSciGuru

    SweetSciGuru Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Definitely.
    There are some countries (Russia, Ukraine) where steroid use is high and almost legal and some athletes have been taking them since their teens. These kids grow into 7 foot monsters and the sport needs to put them into a Super catagory.
     
  2. Ipay4leavingNot

    Ipay4leavingNot Active Member Full Member

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    A small heavyweight can easily beat a big heavyweight, It has nothing to do with size. A 210 pound man has more than enough power to make a 255 pound man eat canvas. it is a question of talent. Most the guys weighing 260 pounds are not all muscle or are weight lifting, chemical muslces.

    The fighters who can give Wlado the most difficulty aren't even big. His toughest fight in recent memory was against Chisora (not that chisora was going to win but he actually fought him and didn't run away the whole fight) followed by boystov. The most likely fighter to beat him was holyfield and toney and he ducks them both like the plague.
    A 210 pound jack johnson or muhammad ali or mike tyson type fighter would much easier hurt a big guy than these overly big fat fighters.

    And most the guys over 220 are fat with beer belly except for wlad.
     
  3. SweetSciGuru

    SweetSciGuru Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Straight from, Ukraine, Russia :yep
     
  4. SimplyTheBest

    SimplyTheBest Heavyweight Destroyer Full Member

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    Just what we need, another division......4+ additional belt holders, inevitably leading to more "catchweight" nonsense.

    No thanks.
     
  5. LightsOutJack

    LightsOutJack Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Heavyweight just needs a height limit. That'll solve all the problems
     
  6. Nanaki

    Nanaki Active Member Full Member

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    That is my line of thinking. Heavy 200-225, Super Heavy 226+

    As it is, I think 112 should be the base weight, then 118, 126 so on.

    You could also eliminate cruiser to be honest and roll that into heavy and light heavy.
     
  7. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    Don't know if you're trolling or just have a sub 80 IQ, cause you have no idea what you're on about.
    You really think the people in countries known for their tall citizens grew into their size because they're putting steroids in their food?! You probably think that Asian countries put in stuff that shrinks them too?!

    You're probably that guy that believes everything you hear on Fox News. And the bigtime US boxers never took the steroids they were caught on. :roll:
     
  8. dogcatcher

    dogcatcher Active Member Full Member

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    I think a massive overhaul is in order.

    1) Get rid of multiple champs in the same weight class. (Bye Bye alphabet soup)

    2) Go to 10 weight classes:
    SHW 215+ (Foreman, Bowe, K2, Lewis shouldn't get to ride on undersized opponents)
    HW ~215 lb. (Tyson, Holyfield, Ali, Frazier,etc. easily could make that weight)
    CW ~190 lbs.
    LHW ~175 lbs
    MW ~160 lbs.
    WW ~145 lbs
    LW ~135 lbs
    FW ~125 lbs
    BW ~115 lbs
    Fly ~105 lbs :)( almost a waste to have but Ricardo Lopez says otherwise)

    3) All judges must be former boxers

    4) Fighter can no longer pick and choose oppponents, all mandatory challenges must be met or title stripped. (No more ducking superfight)

    5) Weigh ins throughout camp that don't exceed 10lbs over the agreed fight weight, to begin when contract is signed. (Fighters can't cut more than 10 lbs for there safety and to make matchups closer in size)

    6) Either completely legalize peds or institute proper testing to virtually eliminate them
     
  9. Tom800

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    They need to remove the cruiserweight division and bring in new blood in the heavyweight division. Holyfield and Haye showed that it is possible for a cruiserweight to make the difference in the heavyweight division. Marco Huck gave Povetkin his toughest fight two years ago, Thabiso Mchunu schooled Chambers last year, Cunningham did it well against Fury before being dropped by illegal blows. That would make the division more exciting than it is nowadays.
     
  10. gmurphy

    gmurphy Land of the corrupt, home of the robbery! banned Full Member

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    Agree with you on a lot of things here.

    Mike Tyson never weighed below 220 in championship fights so he would be in the super heavyweight catorgory though. I dont think they need to seperate the heavyweights just move cruiser up 5 or 10 pounds create a new weight class between cruiser and light heavy and take away some of the weight classes in the lower divisons
     
  11. Farmboxer

    Farmboxer VIP Member Full Member

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    Too many weight divisions now................
     
  12. billvp

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    IFYP :deal
     
  13. RememberingC.S.

    RememberingC.S. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ahah, you're making a fool of yourself, son.

    It is a well known fact that steroids blocks the growth. If you take steroids during adolescence, you will stop growing taller.

    You can't cheat the height, height is a natural gift that cannot be modified whatsoever.

    Actually, steroids in growth fase are one of the reason that could have blocked Tyson's growth leaving him a midget.

    In fact, steroids are medically given to peoples that suffers of Acromegalia, also known as gigantism, the illness that Valuev and Carnera and Andre the Giant and other freaks had.

    When doctors find out you have acromegalia, they stop your growth giving you a massive dose of steroids, otherwise you never stop growing and you can develop every kind of dideases, having heart failures, etc..
    The biggest man in the history, the ones in the records books, all died young and were ill and weak.

    You can inject steroids to an adolescent to block his growth, but not to increase his size.

    Heigh is only a gift.

    And in any case, just think about it. Let's take the Klitschkos. They were adolescents 20 years ago.

    At that time, they were nobody.

    Nobody knew them.

    They weren't rising stars, nothing.

    They were living in third world countries, technologically behind 20 years to occidental countries and with the economy of rural desolated areas.

    How in the entire hell do you think they could access to misterious medicines that enhances the growth? With what moneys? For what reason, considering they had no future and they couldn't even imagine what would have happened years later? :rofl

    In fact, the truth is that having they lived in better places, with more proteic food and better climate, they could even be a couple inches taller.

    But now let's talk about genetic.
    Northern peoples, peoples coming from cold places, have the highest average height between the earth populations.
    Peoples coming from cold places are naturally bigger, because a bigger body resists better the cold.

    And we aren't talking about today's "cold", we are talking of times in wich there weren't technological clothes to keep you warm, or even excessive food.
    In all of those countries, in the past centuries (centuries, a concept unkown and incomprehensible to americans) peoples were dying of starvation and cold.

    Particularly ucraine, that have suffered of Stalin's genocide project of Holodomor.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

    Peoples that survived all of those adverse conditions are naturally bigger and stronger than peoples that have always lived in hot, sunny climates.

    It's genetic.
     
  14. VBOX

    VBOX JOURNEYMAN Full Member

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    Hell no. You wanna fight with the big boys get your ass over 200, simple. No weight jumping collecting trinkets and catchweight nonesense.
     
  15. Big

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    get rid of a handful of lower weight divisions, bring the cruiser limit to 210 or 205 and add a light cruiser division @ 190