Should there be a asterisk on Bivols ’win’ against Beterbiev

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Should there be a asterisk on Bivols ’win’ against Beterbiev

  1. Yes !!

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  2. No

    89.3%
  3. No because Bivol didnt win (draw/loss)

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  1. OddR

    OddR Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I had Bivol winning 7-5 and the reverse for the first fight.

    1-1 is perfect.
     
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  2. lobk

    lobk Original ESB Member Full Member

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    Why should there be? If you are still physically able to compete and on top of that be the champ of the division, why the hell would beating the champ , with no controversy , have an asterisk?

    Stupid ass logic. Being a champ has no age restriction but it does if the other fighter beats him.
     
  3. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    This seems over simplistic.

    Reality and context exists.

    Beating a 40 year old version of a fighter a couple fights away from retirement, thats coming off debilitating and career threatening injuries isnt the same thing as beating these fighters near their prime.

    Pac didnt beat a vintage Hoya.
    Cotto didnt beat a vintage Martinez
    Ali didnt beat a vintage Cotto
    Tyson didnt beat a vintage Larry

    Bivol didnt beat a vintage Beterbiev.

    Ect ect ect.

    It is what it is.

    Context matters.

    Aging out fighters, and not fighting fighters nearer their best comes with consequences like having asterisks next to the win.
     
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  4. lobk

    lobk Original ESB Member Full Member

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    Of course age matters. Boxers usually don't fight into their 40s. Is this the best Betirbiev he could have fought. No, but this is still the Beterbiev that just unified the division. There is a huge difference between calling out a 40 year old boxer vs someone who is active and who just unified all the belts. If you are good enough to be undisputed and someone younger than you beats you then that younger guy gets a legit win. There were no foul or controversy in the fight.
     
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  5. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    Yes, there should be an asterisk in the first bivol victory vs beterbiev. The asterisk should say "Bivol won but Beterbiev blatantly robbed him"
     
  6. Guru88

    Guru88 Active Member Full Member

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    Had fight 1 7-5 beterbiev and fight 2 8-4 Bivol, no idea what you’re on about here
     
  7. elrond_buggard

    elrond_buggard Member Full Member

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    To an extent, yes. Age should be considered and beating someone near the end of their career isn't the same as beating someone in their prime. Really the fight should've happened right after Bivol beat Canelo, which raised him to stardom.

    If their ages were flipped, then it'd have been a very different fight.

    On the other hand, Beterbiev was still undefeated, still a champion, and still obliterating all-comers much younger than him. This wasn't some ancient legend pulled out of retirement, but a long-reigning champion with his aura still intact.

    Yes, the fight could've happened a few years earlier, but equally so it was still relevant when it happened and counts as a career-defining win.
     
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