Should titles be allowed to be fought for at catchweights?

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  1. popejking

    popejking Adamek Full Member

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    They should be allowed, but not for vacant titles.
     
  2. popejking

    popejking Adamek Full Member

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    It would be correct if boxing federations pay for fights :yep
     
  3. demigawd

    demigawd Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Clearly that logic doesn't apply to everything. You're not considering the reason why it's important to address weight specifically. Weight affects your performance and your health. Making unreasonable financial demands is a world of difference from attempting to physically weaken a fighter and compromise his health in clear contradiction of the organization's weight limits.

    There aren't established monetary classes in boxing - there are weight classes. That's the difference between imposing restrictions on financial splits and imposing restrictions on weight. Your point would only be valid in the absence of established weight classes.
     
  4. demigawd

    demigawd Boxing Addict Full Member

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    They don't pay for them, but they sanction them. I'm not arguing that catchweight fights shouldn't happen. I am arguing that they should go unsanctioned by the title organizations. If they want to fight for a $40 million dollar purse, great. But it should be for a $40 million purse AND a title. Organizations can't control the former, but they can and should control the latter.
     
  5. popejking

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    I understand what you are saying and I think the same. Althought if federations stop sanctioning catchweights as title fights, then promotors may try making a silent deal about catcweight and federation will not know about it.
    Whats more, as long as these fights are not mandatory fights, federations will not make troubles :good
     
  6. Hermit

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    Cotto said his title wouldn't be on the line didn't he? ABC wanted a piece of Pac and bingo....:-(
     
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  8. Cobbler

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    Utter bollocks. If there is one example of someone who shouldn't have been fighting at the weight he was recently it is DLH against Pacquiao. But that was at a recognised weight class, not a catchweight. You're ok with DLH weighing in at 147, but not Clottey weighing in at 144?

    If you were bothered about 'health and performance' why would you only be concerned about title fights? Why wouldn't you address the issue of fighters draining themselves to make existing weight classes? If you were actually concerned about fighters' health you could advocate weigh ins a week in advance of the fight and then again on the day of the fight. You could advocate a weigh-in the day before a fight and then a weigh-in before entering the ring with the fighter only allowed to gain a set % amount between those times. Those would be suggestions that would actually be beneficial to the well being of fighters.
     
  9. AMERICANBORN

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    so then according to you there is no such thing as a catchweight? welterweight means the fight has a weight limit of 147 pounds, therefore in a welterweight fight a fighter can come in at max weight of 147lbs, andything fought at any other limit from 141-146 is a catchweight fight and the title shouldnt be on the line, obviously this isnt the case since its happened before, but i dont think its right imo
     
  10. Mind Reader

    Mind Reader J-U-ICE Full Member

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    Did Jones make Ruiz weight in at a catchweight? I don't remember.....:huh
     
  11. Mind Reader

    Mind Reader J-U-ICE Full Member

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    In my eyes, If you are gonna fight for a title..... Then that fighter you are fighting should be able to come in at the maximum weight for the title, no matter what you weigh in at.
     
  12. popejking

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    I agree 100%:thumbsup
     
  13. demigawd

    demigawd Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm not sure what your point is here, but it's a faulty example. Obviously you can't reasonably establish rules preventing fighters from moving up and down divisions to fight in specific divisions. But you can have rules that prevent people from making rules that contradict your own. What's so "bollocks" about that?

    You assume too much. Actually, I would love to see the end of catch weight fights altogether. I specifically proposed title fights because of the increased power and leverage afforded to champions as well as the increased leverage a sanctioning body has when it can remove title contention. My original point, if you recall, was in reponse to the potential for abuse by champions of their station - their ability to use their status as a champion to artifically alter the weight limit beyond what the established limit is by the belt's patron.

    The end goal for every fighter is to become a champion. The potential of a champion attempting to use the belt as a means of changing the weight class is far more easily abused than any other method of manipulating stipulations. Yes, even moreso than money because there are more champions than multi-multi millionaires in boxing.

    As for your other ideas, those are fine too. But that's also utterly and completely beside the point of what we're discussing, which is should sanctioning bodies adopt a rule banning champions from adding weight stipulations as a condition for fighting for their title.
     
  14. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    Sanctioning body rules specify a maximum weight for each weight class. If a boxer chooses to weigh in lighter than the maximum weight that doesn't 'contradict' their rules. It is entirely within their rules.

    It was beside the point until you started pretending that your concern in advocating this was the health of the fighters.
     
  15. demigawd

    demigawd Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No, it's not. If a sanctioning body rules specify a maximum weight for a weight class, and a boxer says that another fighter is limited to a weight lower than the sanctioning body's weight limit, then it's clearly contradicting their rules. There's no two ways about that. By putting a limit of 144lbs for a welterweight fight, you're *excluding* all the fighters who weight 145, 146 and 147lbs, which happens to be about 95% of welterweights.