Theres always been alot of debate about scoring systems and lenghts of fights but I am increasily getting the feeling that K1's system maybe the easiest answer for US MMA. It is afterall a system specifically devolped a round by round points format much shorter than boxing. 3 rounds of 5 mins as you have now. A close round is scored 10-10. A round in which one fighter dominates without threatening to finish is 10-9. A round in which one fighter comes close to a finish is 10-8. Open scoring between rounds. In the event of a draw(obviously more likely with the scoring) then have either 1 or 2 extension rounds with the judges in a must deside situation at the end. Open scoring to me is a must in a three round enviroment, a single call has such a big effect fighters should be aware of them and have the chance to react. Having the extension rounds rather than 5 rounds for all fights would IMHO limate how long we have to watch boring fights. As I see it must really dull matches do tend to have a clear winner, just normally one who wasnt interested/able to threaten his opponant.
first of all I would like to say that your idea for scoring is better in many ways then the current system, I think a significant change is welcome and with a sport as young as mma I think its necessary to improve the sport. this method of scoring would certainly help US mma be more exciting, with open scoring and 3 rounds with option for (2 ?) round(s) extension rounds for title fights could push fighters in the extension rounds to work harder as it does in K-1 fights. I dont know if I like the removal of 5 rounds, I have always thought well of the "championship" rounds. Without it we could never have the drama or marciano vs walcott or silva vs sonnen. My biggest problem with US mma is the advantage of being a LNPer, ground control over going for finishes. I dont see how this form of scoring would help in this area.
Control is an important aspect of fighting and I'm glad its scored for. The fact a lot of people find it boring is a problem though, it seems ppl are complaining about it all the time. The referees are quite strict though in regards to activity, so the current unified rules and fine overall, imo.
Well we obviously don't have extension rounds right now and inr eality the scoring is very different. 10-10 barely ever happens in MMA and 10-8 is reserved for extreme ass kickings like Edgar/Maynard Rd 1. A large part of that is IMHO fear of the draw, you add in the extension rounds(although just one round is probabley more realistic) and that fear is gone. Its an important part of fighting obviously but it should not be treated as equal to landing potentially damaging attacks, using good footwork and cerating angles is obviously a big part of striking yet that alone doesnt win fights it you don't actually land anything. I don't think the ref's are anything like strict enough when it comes to breaking up clinches and stalling on the ground, whats more standards vary wildly from ref to ref, another reason it shouldnt be scored highly. Personally I think the Pride setup was close to ideal, it had been created over a number of years without the inertia and politics of the AC's in the way. Reaslistically though its rules, rounds and scoring are ever going to be taken up in the US, K1 seems like a good middle ground and like Pride its been tested over a number of years.
I didnt mean drop down to 3 mins, just the scoring and extensions from K1. That would actually help combat LnP and stalling generally since more close rounds would be 10-10 and aggresive fighters would find it easier to get 10-8's. As I said thats why K1 devolped the way it did, the extensions are there to allow the judges more freedom with scoring(rather than giving 99% of rounds 10-9)without having to fear the draw aswell as giving close fights longer to run.
im sorry I meant to write 3 rounds instead of 3 min, I fixed it now. so how many rounds could a championship fight potentially have?
Stick with 5 and maybe have the option of 1 extension round? realistically 1 extension in 3 rounders is far more likely than 2 in the US aswell and serves much the same purpose. Speaking of 5 rounders I actually think its noticble that Judges give 10-8's far more often in them than in 3 rounders which seems to back up my theory that its a fear of draws thats holding them back.
To me I find K-1 scoring annoying in that too often judges will give 10-10 when someone had a clear advantage in the fight. I like the idea of opening scoring and feel that there should be some sort of tiebreaker - whether a fourth judge or an extension round depends on the safety of the fighters.
No, look at their respective levels of success first of all. Second, K1 is the most corrupt organization in all of combat sports, their rules provide a lot of room for this. Extension rounds are far too common and used often just to give the favored fighter another chance.
K1 at its peak was arguebley more sucessful than MMA is now but really I don't see that as being a big reflection on the rounds/judging either way. I see the current US system as more not less vunerable to bias personally since judges have to give close rounds 10-9 rather than 10-10. Dispite the UFC talking up "legitimancey" I think current judging is bias as hell, damn near every single close(or not so close) decision goes the way the promoter would want it to.
Really that has nothing to do with my original point since I was not suggesting the US promoters do the judging themselves. Personally I think that the seperation between promoters and AC's has often been a good way to deflect criticism(both of bias and indeed of the needs to changes in general). I look at contriversal decisions in the US and the vast majority of them seem to go the way the promoter would have wanted them to before the fight. As I said though I think judges being compelled to give rounds 10-9 opens the window for more bias. How many times have we seen a promoters favoured guy get a couple of close rounds 10-9 and while getting dominated in the other round before taking the decision?
I just don't recognise this point about controvesial decisions always going the way of the promoter's favoured fighter. The UFC usually doesn't care abot who wins - they own both fighters and will move the winner onto better things. But of recent controvesial decisions, the UFC certainly didn't want Sherk to beat Dunham and Nik Lentz was facing Tyson Griffin because the UFC wanted him to lose so they could fire him after his UFC 118 prelim fight. Noway does the UFC want Nam Phan to lose to Leonard Garcia; they're TV strategy is based on pushing former TUF stars and they'd love to have one in the featherweight division. I'm not even convinced that the UFC wanted Jackson to beat Machida either - their handling of him since the Evans' fights suggests that there's a lot of bad blood between the two of them. And when bad or controvesial decisions do happen the UFC often immediately rematches the fighters to remove any doubt about the decision. Couture-Rizzo, Machida-Rua, Penn-Edgar, Ortiz-Shamrock, Phan-Garcia...and that certainly doesn't gel with them trying to put the 'home' fighter over. Indeed I personally think the UFC shows a remarkable little favourtism to its biggest stars - instead of feeding Mir to Carwin they easily have protected him with easy fights against Nog or even Kimbo to prepare him for an autumn fight against Lesnar. Likewise they could have done Mir-Lesnar III for TUF13 instead of making Lesnar face a fighter who's a far worse stylistic matchup in JDS.