Should we stop predicting knockouts at the elite level when two PRIME boxers fight each other?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Luis Fernando, Oct 16, 2018.


Should we all stop predicting knockouts at the elite level between two boxers in their primes?

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  2. No

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  1. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Time after time, boxing fans / fanatics make this same mistake. We see it far too often! Outrageous claims and predictions of knockouts. But after the fight, they then come to their senses about how knockouts rarely happen at the elite level. And then another bout takes place between two other elite boxers, and those same fans / fanatics make the same mistake of predicting a knockout win for one boxer. When they already admitted first time around from their mistake that knockouts rarely happen at the elite level.

    But why don't boxing fans do this BEFORE a bout takes place between two elite boxers? Especially if they've been proven wrong once already. Which is when they admit knockouts rarely happen a the elite level. But when there is a second bout between two elite boxers, they make the same mistake again by predicting a knockout.

    Of course, you'll see knockouts / stoppages at the elite level if one, or both of the elite boxers are past their prime. For example:

    1) Past - prime Wladimir Klitschko getting stopped by Anthony Joshua.

    2) Past - prime Alexander Povetkin getting stopped by Anthony Joshua.

    3) Past - prime Luis Ortiz getting stopped by Deontay Wilder.

    4) Past - prime Muhammad Ali getting stopped by Larry Holmes.


    BUT, when we see two fighters fighting each other during their primes that are also elite, we ALMOST always don't see knockouts / stoppages. For example:

    1) Andre Ward vs Sergey Kovalev (first fight).

    2) Roy Jones Jr vs James Toney

    3) Oleksandr Usyk vs Murat Gassiev & Mairis Breidis

    4) Alexander Povetkin vs Wladimir Klitschko

    5) Lennox Lewis vs Ray Mercer


    So why does anybody else think any different in a potential fight between Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder if they fight during their primes (assuming anybody considers Wilder to be an 'elite')?

    Why does anybody else think any different between a potential bout between Anthony Joshua and Oleksandr Usyk, if they fight during their primes?

    Or in a bout bout between Oleksandr Gvozdyk and Dmitry Bivol?


    The main question is, why do boxing fans continue making this same mistake and should we all stop predicting knockouts at the elite level when both boxers are in their primes (barring a very few exceptions)?

    Many Golovkin fans / fanatics were claiming how Golovkin would stop Canelo inside the distance and some even went as far as to claim Golovkin would brutally KO Canelo cleanly. Yet, after Golovkin failed to even drop Canelo in 24 rounds, now those same fans / fanatics come to the realization and admit that knockouts don't often happen at the elite level and now all of a sudden, Canelo Alvarez has a great chin. Why didn't they say those things before the first fight? Why didn't they give credit to Canelo's durability before the first fight by questioning Golovkin's chances of winning by stoppage, instead of doing it now?
     
  2. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    When was Ortiz prime? Before he turned pro?
     
  3. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    why would you stop predicting ko's? dont elite fighters in their prime ever get ko'ed?
     
  4. MarcelCerdan13

    MarcelCerdan13 Member Full Member

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    It really depends. An elite fighter who status has been won largely due to their power(Wilder, Beterbiev, Inoue) can be expected to make using that power their primary objective against the best opposition. When two fighters like that face each other, like Beterbiev-Johnson, it makes perfect sense to predict a knockout. I think you’re right for the most part though.
     
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  5. Rockradar

    Rockradar Well-Known Member Full Member

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    According to Luis Fernando - everybody, and I mean everybody hits their prime at 24 years of age. Isn't that right Luis?

    I have Luis quotes to prove this.
     
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  6. LondonRingRules

    LondonRingRules Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah you’re right, there has NEVER been a knockout in a fight between two elite fighters. Stop predicting knockouts guys, Luis Fernando has spoken.
     
  7. "TKO"

    "TKO" Boxing Addict Full Member

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    In general, there is truth to what you say. But I still think Joshua-Wilder is more likely than not to end early. They have about 58 KOs in 60 fights between them and both have been down.
     
  8. Puroresu_Fan

    Puroresu_Fan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No but there needs to be some reasoning behind it.

    GGG fans claiming GGG was going to knock out Canelo in the first fight was bad enough but after that one to predict he would in the 2nd fight was just lunacy.