Should Wilder take the step aside money?

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Should Wilder take money to step aside?

  1. Yes, regroup and fight the winner of Fury vs AJ

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  2. No, take the fight in July

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  1. Holler

    Holler Doesn't appear to be a paid matchroom PR shill Full Member

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    Deontay Wilder has activated the rematch clause and is scheduled to fight Fury within 6 months. Is this a good idea?

    I think there's two problems, with the fighter and with the fight itself.

    For Wilder, the manner and scope of the defeat was particularly damaging. He wasn't just outskilled, he was outfought. Fury looked better than him in every department and even when Wilder landed the right hand it didn't have the desired effect.

    Six months and one camp is not much time to make any changes. He will go into the fight on the back of the damaging defeat and with the widespread derision that followed his blaming his costume and trainer.

    Would it not be better for Wilder to fight one or two easier opponents, use the camps to work on things which can help him against Fury and build his confidence back up with some trademark KO's?

    As for the fight itself, I think it's a hard sell. The first fight was comprehensive aside from the two knock downs. The second was an ass whupping and really left no questions unanswered. Wilder will still draw some support but it will be difficult to reach the levels that the last fight made and even they were supposedly barely enough to cover costs.

    If Wilder can be taken out of the immediate picture and built back up into the figure he was after the first Ortiz fight, or close to it, then he becomes a far more desirable target for the winner of Fury v AJ. Promoters can start talking about three contenders again rather than two. Wilder's punch power and his capacity to sell a fight could get him back into the conversation, particularly if he can deliver US audiences.

    If Wilder intends to fight on for the next couple of years I think there's more money to be made and a much better chance of success if he takes an offer to step aside along with an agreement for a fight against the undisputed champion.
     
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  2. MrTombourineMan

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    Yes. He should have.

    1) The step aside money would be a nice cherry on top of the guaranteed payday against the winner.
    2) He can get himself another decent cherry on top and earn a few cheap million fighting some can in his keep busy fight. Perhaps blast Wallin out to draw comparison to the Fury/Wallin debacle. Or Ruiz to try and show up Joshua. He has options.
    3) He's assured of a shot at the undisputed title when the dust settles between Fury and Joshua.
    4) I'm a consumer and I want to see an undisputed fight before a dead rubber for a trilogy that, for my money, is already over. Okay that last one shouldn't factor in the slightest to Wilder's decision making but I'm leaving it in there because public demand is too often overlooked in this sport.

    But on the other hand, I fully understand why he didn't. He's the oldest of the top heavies, the least versatile, the least likely to make the right adjustments, and the biggest reason of all: Taking the step aside would effectively be admitting that he was second best and needs to go back to the drawing board, and as we've seen from the pathetic aftermath we all know that Wilder's ego is far too massive and fragile for that to be an option.
     
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  3. Spongebob south paw pants

    Spongebob south paw pants Active Member Full Member

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    See why he would but honestly it's wasting time from careers that are fast approaching there sell by date. The amount of time it's taken to let the premotors milk it is a joke. There all guilty but if I was them yh wait and get a 20mil payday. Think not just the UK but boxing in general deserve the big fight f##k we have waited long enough
     
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  4. Holler

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    The funny thing is I think they all make more money if Wilder steps aside.

    This third fight I think is going to struggle. If, as seems likely, Fury wins again then Wilder is pretty much done and dusted. Winner of TF v AJ loses a potentially lucrative opponent and the US market loses some interest.

    If Wilder wins they're officially 1:1, would there be any pressure for a fourth fight? If not, a deeply compromised Wilder would then be a devalued opponent for AJ, if they could even get that fight on. Fury would loudly be proclaiming he's still 2:1 up etc.
     
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    I think he shouldn't. But that's because I don't think he will recover from this.
    If he takes step aside money, he would have to wait for the outcome of Joshua/Fury after the Pulev fight, and then the long overdue WBO mandatory too probably.
    In the meantime he would have to fight somewhat decent opposition, who now would go all out trying to replicate what Fury did, and possibly make him look bad or even upset him.
    Plus, if Joshua beats Fury (quite possible) the location, money and stipulations would become an issue too, with him having nothing but his name to bring to the table.

    Seems like a bad idea instead of a guaranteed big payday and ride into the sunset.
     
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  6. Tramell

    Tramell Hypocrites Love to Pray & Be Seen. Mathew 6:5 Full Member

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    This.

    But then again maybe he should do like Billy Joe & Bobby Sue...
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  7. PaddyGarcia

    PaddyGarcia Trivial Annoyance Gold Medalist Full Member

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    What you're forgetting is that he won't be wearing a heavy costume this time

    Wilder KO 6
     
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  8. Holler

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    Yes I guess my argument is predicated on Haymon having some easy meat to throw at him, but maybe now his aura has been diminished even the second and third tier HW's would fancy their chances?

    I can see both sides of the argument. Much depends on what they think Wilder is capable of. If he can't adapt then maybe rolling the dice that he can land a good shot and get himself back into the game is the smart play...

    I keep getting distracted by the meaningless stuff, the boxing, the styles, the tactics, technique and physical match-ups and forget the real reason Wilder lost. :(
     
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  9. Baneofthegame

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    Agree with this.
     
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  10. kirk

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    Absolutely
     
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    He wouldn't have to right anyone in the meantime.

    If they were literally that worried about losing a tune up before a third wilder fight they could simply take the money and sit out until the fight.
     
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    Spot on.
     
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  13. reckless

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    He should just cash out.
     
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  14. On The Money

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    I doubt Pulev would have accepted the step aside. Father time isn't on his side.
     
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  15. RightLeftCombo

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    I think the better option would have been to, yes, looking at everything.
    If Wilder loses to Fury again next time straight after being stopped, that would be three fights he's had vs Fury and couldn't win any. He might get stopped again and that would be a second inside the distance defeat in a very short time. Pretty damaging to his legacy, whatever that is.

    If a sharp strong Tyson Fury comes in 100% in shape next time, he's going to be very confident of beating Wilder handily again. Fury's just a better boxer overall.

    Deontay might have been better taking some time off and regrouping, because the winner of the Fury-Joshua bout would still be there in the future for him.
    Just my opinion.
     
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