Should Wilfredo Gomez' record of 17 successive KOs in title defenses stand ?

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  1. travolt

    travolt Trolling the trolls Full Member

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    Gomez won and defended his WBC super bantam title a total of 17 times, all by KO.

    Which is often cited as the record consecutive KOS in title fights.

    The problem is when one looks at some of the opponents he defended his title against, they clearly often ranked as journeyman's:

    - Raul Tirado 10-5-3
    - Sakad Petchyindee 2-0-0
    - Nelson Cruz Tamariz 19-12-1
    - Julio Hernandez 5-9-0
    - Raul Silva 7-11-2

    It's clear to me Gomez shouldn't hold that record, considering the caliber of some of the opposition he faced, which wouldn't even get sanctioned today.
     
  2. sean

    sean pale peice of pig`s ear Full Member

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    it was a new weight division from memory

    but gomez was the weight below pedroza not avbove
    pedroza was a long time feather champ who never moved weight
    without looking up gomez record he fought some good fighters as well
    rocky lockeridge
    juan laporte
    although laporte had an iron chin and gomez never dented it
    azumah nelson beat him
    forget who else

    he was very very big for 122 but not great at feather
    just remembered sanchez ATG beat him early on .

    his fights were nearly all televised on delay in the uk so i saw a lot of him

    there was a similar fighter to him at super fly
    khasoi galaxy
    he was also huge for a new weight class.
     
  3. travolt

    travolt Trolling the trolls Full Member

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    It's all on boxrec for all to see.
    These guys would never had been sanctioned for a title defense fight today.
     
  4. rapscalion

    rapscalion Boxing Addict Full Member

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    5 out of 17 isn't bad at all. All champions take easy fights here and there. In this day it has become the norm thanks to the Mayweather syndrome.
     
  5. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    In the internet age, sanctioning bodies like the WBC are less likely to get away with sanctioning a world title fight that involves someone getting the opportunity that clearly is not deserving.

    Keep in mind however that fighter records on Boxrec, are incomplete.
    Latin American countries had poor record keeping of professional fighters. For example, a fighter on boxrec listed as 3-8, may in reality have had a record of 27-8.

    I just looked up Sakad Petchyindee who was 2-0 when he fought Wilfredo Gomez for the title.
    Apparently he was a legendary Muay Thai champion.

    I can only guess that Jose Sulaiman's hands got heavily greased so that he could rank Petchyindee in the top 10 and grant him a title fight as a boxer after only two fights.

    To be fair to Petchyindee though, those two fights were against fighters with records of 39-6 and 23-7, which in that day and age probably weighs more than some of the current fighters that have inflated records because they are being protected.
     
  6. travolt

    travolt Trolling the trolls Full Member

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    You better have some proof on that.
     
  7. Limerickbox

    Limerickbox Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Mayweather syndrome?

    How often did Mayweather fight someone from outside of the top 10 of his weight division??
     
  8. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Mayweather after the Castillo fight continually schemed his way through his career. He would drag up smaller guys, miss the weight, stall until they were past prime, etc.
     
  9. Boxing Prospect

    Boxing Prospect Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Very unfair to list the Thai on there. He was a boxing novice, but no means a journeyman!
     
  10. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Its common knowledge with most boxing fans who've followed the sport for years that Boxrec is just a site that has incomplete records of fighters. Mexico and a list of Latin American countries have a history of poor record keeping pre-advent of the internet.
    Boxrec. has done their best to compile the records of fighters of years past, and they can update and change the record of a former fighter if they can verify in some form or the other that a particular fight took place.

    Go to boxrec and look up some of the ATG latin fighters of the 60's and 70's.
    Boxrec for example has Alexis Arguello fighting someone who's making their pro-debut and someone who is 0-4 right before he fought Ruben Olivarez for the title when Arguello was already an extablished contender and had already had a title try vs Ernesto Marcel.
    I can guarantee you one thing, Arguello wasn't fighting fighters making their pro-debuts when he was on the cusp of title shots.

    You look further up Arguello's record and you see boxrec lists him fighting guys with atrocious losing records during his title reigns.
    Those my friend are incomplete records of fighters that he faced.

    You can do the same and look up Roberto Duran and boxrec lists fighters on his resume with incomplete records similar to Arguello's.

    Its common knowledge with the hardcore fan that boxrec posts only the records that can be verified, obviously listing the complete records of every fighter in history is impossible when the record keeping by history was done by pen and paper.
     
  11. Boxing Prospect

    Boxing Prospect Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Indonesian and Thai's have notoriously incomplete records as well
     
  12. travolt

    travolt Trolling the trolls Full Member

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    Tirado: 1977

    Petchyindee : 1978

    Tamariz : 1979

    Hernandez : 1979

    Silva : 1981

    This wasn't the sixties or early seventies. These were sanctioned title fights and i doubt the records were so much tangled as you're alleging.

    For example, the Thai fight is correct, as others have written. Maybe he was tougher than on paper, but the guy had no business fighting for the title after only 2 pro fights.

    If even a single one of these is correct, Gomez' KO record should be simply voided.
     
  13. accidentalbutt

    accidentalbutt Nash Equilibrium Debunker Full Member

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    Please tell me when floyd has fought bums like that...i'll wait
     
  14. accidentalbutt

    accidentalbutt Nash Equilibrium Debunker Full Member

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    Never,it was a stupid ass post from that guy..floyd fought nothing but world class comp while we praise other fighters for fighting fighters like listed above..hilarious
     
  15. Boxing Prospect

    Boxing Prospect Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I've seen records from the last few years that are incomplete. In fact Yodmongkol Vor Saengthep (who recently held an interim world title) has a bout missing from last year [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9UhrKyo_Pk].

    Alvaro Rojas (who fought Duran and Ishimatsu) was said to have had more than 30 bouts (according to the Japanese TV broadcast) ahead of his bout with Guts, and around 50 when he fought Duran.

    It's also worth noting that some records on boxrec have wrongly attributed fights (Yuichi Hosono NEVER fought his "final" bout).

    There's been a lot of Korean bouts (sanctioned by the KBA and KBPF) missing from boxrec as well. They have started to add KBC bouts though.