Should Wilfredo Gomez' record of 17 successive KOs in title defenses stand ?

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  1. accidentalbutt

    accidentalbutt Nash Equilibrium Debunker Full Member

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    Who did he drag up and name all the fights he missed weight...
     
  2. Willie Maeket

    Willie Maeket "40 Acres and Mule" -General William T. Sherman Full Member

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    Neither should WBA's bull**** list of MW GGG defenses against-Willie Monroe Jr.(not ranked), Daniel Geale, Marco Antonio Rubio(not ranked), Nobuhiro Ishida (not ranked).....:patsch
     
  3. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    The records of fighters like Duran's and Arguello's are complete and accurate today because what happens when fighters of that caliber more up the rankings, boxing orginizations and the powers that be in boxing do research on every fight they ever had so that their records can be updated and recognized as legit, but they don't do that with every fighter and especially those that never were recogonized as legit title contenders.

    Arguello for example had 85 professional fights, can you imagine the effort it would take to accurately post the records of every one of his opponents when a lot of those fighters never fought out of the country of Nicaragua?


    Sakad Petchindee's record at the time he fought Gomez was 2-0, but who really knows if Petchindee fought a handful of boxing matches even before then that were never recorded or the records just misplaced or stolen.



    Btw, Vasyl Lomanchenko. With only one pro fight on his record, he got a World title bout not 2 years ago vs Orlando Salido, so it goes to show that even today, if you grease the right hands a fighter can be granted a title shot without really paying his dues.


    ........and no, you cant do that just for Gomez or they would have to go through every fighters records and dismiss records of fighters of the past left and right.

    Those fights of Gomez were recorded at World title fights, the only option is for them to stand!
     
  4. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    At featherweight & Super Featherweight Wilfredo was past his prime & didn't have any meaningful consecutive winning streak

    He cconsecutive winning streak was at Super Bantam:
    • 14-0-0-0 (KO 14) at Super Bantamweight title fights
    • 17-0-0-0 (KO 17) since becoming a Super Bantamweight Champion

    His first fight was a draw or he would have had a 100% KO ratio at Super Bantam career
     
  5. travolt

    travolt Trolling the trolls Full Member

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    Loma was a double gold medal at both World Championships and Olympics, ffs.

    You can't possibly compare a Muay Thay champion to him.

    And if they can complete Duran's record correctly, they certainly can Gomez', who's still arguably Puerto Rico's greatest fighter to this day.

    The guy was a freaking rock star back in the days.

    My point still stands.
     
  6. Boxing Prospect

    Boxing Prospect Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I guess it's unfair to compare Loma's world title "speed" to that of Saensak Muangsurin ...oh....wait...

    It's not Gomez's record that is incomplete, it's that of his opponents which may be incomplete for half a dozen reasons. Boxrec editors admit they haven't a full set of records and there debates over some of the ones the do have. Khaosai Galaxy for example is credited with an extra bout on CBZ
     
  7. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Loma was fighting 3 rounders, not 12 rounds.
    Nobody should get a title shot after only one pro fight. NO ONE!!!

    You've totally missed the point.
    Gomez' professional boxing record is complete and accurate as far as we know, just like it is for Duran and Arguello's.
    Its the opponents of these legends numerous opponents who don't have accurate and complete records on boxrec.

    Again, according to Boxrec, the fight before Arguello got a title shot vs Ruben Olivarez was against an opponent that was 0-4.
    Just think about it. You really think Alexis Arguello readied himself to face the great Ruben Olivarez by fighting a fightere making his pro debut and a winless fighter of 4 fights?:nut:nut:nut:nut

    Whatever their real and accurate records were, I'm certain the caliber of those two fighters Arguello faced prior to meeting Olivarez was good enough to at the very least offer some resistance.
    In fact, Oscar Aparicio who boxrec indicates was making his pro debut against Arguello who was about to knockout Olivarez in his next fight, went the full 12 round distance with Arguello.
     
  8. travolt

    travolt Trolling the trolls Full Member

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    Who said anything about GGG ?

    Tell me, do you dream of him late at night ? Does his face appear to you when you close your eyes ?

    Does his poster hang from your kitchen wall ?

    Once he breaks both Gomez' ( 17 KOS in title fights) and Hopkins' (20 defenses) records, are you going to commit suicide ?

    :hi:
     
  9. Reg

    Reg Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You do realize that Sanctioning bodies have rules that specify requirements a fighter must have if they are to be allowed to challenge for a title right? One of those requirement is amateur experience.

    For example, the WBC rules state...

    Boxers shall be evaluated for the WBC ratings based upon the following factors:

    (a)Record.
    (b)Activity.
    (c)Result and quality of performance in recent bouts.
    (d)Level of competition.
    (e)Significance of bouts.
    (f)Experience in championship or elimination bouts.
    (g)Accomplishments and record in amateur boxing, or in Muay Thai or other combat sports.
    (h)Competing at home or abroad.
    (i)Decisiveness of victories.
    (j)Style.
    (k)Losses in controversial decisions.


    As an ATG amateur fighter Loma more than qualifies.
     
  10. travolt

    travolt Trolling the trolls Full Member

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    I think you're missing a point here, as Arguello was fighting 7 times a year back then; it makes perfect sense for him to fight, inside a 3 months span before his title fight, a novice then a guy with 4 losses, because he would risk a title shot facing a better opponent.

    And when you fight that often, you need soft touches in between, or you will get burnt out.
     
  11. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wilfredo Gomez title fight record is the 14 consecutive title fight KOs

    If you just want to count title fight KOs:

    SDBG* had (33 KOs in title fights) ~ WBF
    Joe Louis had (23 KOs in title fights) ~ Old School
    JCC Sr. had (21 KOs in title fights) ~ WBC-WBA-IBF

    * Samson Dutch Boy Gym, despite the WBF weak credentials, some of Samson title defenses were vs solid contenders
     
  12. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Fighters who fought as often as Arguello and say Julio Cesar Chavez, of course they're going to fight what you call a stay busy fight, but they're not going to do it against a fighter who's making their pro debut.
    That's just absolutely ridiculous.
     
  13. travolt

    travolt Trolling the trolls Full Member

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    That's not for you to decide.
     
  14. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    A decorated amateur shouldn't get a title fight in his first of second fight, much less someone who's doe'snt have such a amateur backround as I'm sure the fighter Arguello fought making his pro debut didn't have.

    Enough said on the issue. You go ahead and keep believing that the ATG latin fighters of the past fought stay busy fights against fighters with losing records! :nut
     
  15. Drew101

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    * Tirado's record is incomplete, and he had good results against flyweight champ Espadas and future bantamweight champ Davila. He was a legit contender.

    * Sakad was a pretty legenday muay-thai kickboxer who was legitimately ranked after beating contenders Juan Antonio Lopez and Hisami Mizuno in his first two fights.

    * Gomez didn't defend against Tamariz or Silva. They were stay busy fights.

    If you're gonna be a boxrec warrior, at least try to hit the target with your points.