Should Wlad Have Re-matched Purrity & Sanders?

"Yes, very interesting fight because behind this fight very interesting story. Corrie Sanders beat my brother. One times I fight against Ross Purrity and beat him. Chris Byrd won and in next fight Wladimir beat Chris Byrd. And right now its part ...???

My guess is he is saying part two.

 

Vitali said exactly what he said - that they both have avenged each others defeats and this time wouldn't be any different.

 

Which is not what you said:

""The plan wasn't for Wlad to fight Sanders after a few tune-ups. The plan all along was to have Vitali step in and avenge his little brothers defeat."

So what you really need is a clip of Vitali saying, "This was the plan all along.." Not Vitali just talking up how he beat Purritty and expects to do the same to Sanders.

 

Wlad fought two tune-ups that year. There was no plan to fight Sanders after those tune-ups because Vitali had already stepped in and took the fight on his brothers behalf.

Hence me saying - "The plan wasn't for Wlad to fight Sanders after a few tune-ups.

Vitali said this and history shows it , which is exactly why I said it in the first place.

 

Kentucky Chicken pretending that corrie "believing" wlad wants him is the same thing as knowing wlad wants him.

the difference between belief and fact.

meanwhile, Outstock gives hmi a direct quote that corrie doesnt know why wlad didnt seek out a rematch (fact).

 

You are talking about a situation that developed in December of 2003, after an injured Sanders already vacated the WBO title in exchange for a top two WBC rating that would see him face either Vitali or Lewis in Spring 2004 in very lucrative bouts. Of course the Wlad Fight was dead then, nobody has argued otherwise. Why would you even think anyone was arguing that.

What you said "The plan all along was to have Vitali step in and avenge his little brothers defeat." And that is what you have failed to prove.

The official plan as reported was Sanders/Wlad II in December 03, while Vitali chased Lewis. And you won't find any evidence to contradict this, all you have is your personal speculation.

 

The only reason Sanders gave up the WBO is because he was getting offered a big money fight against Vitali for the WBC belt.
He tried to get a big money fight while being the WBO champ but it didn't happen.
1) Because Wlad wouldn't rematch him
2) The WBO wouldn't allow him cash out against Roy Jones

The 38 year Sanders of course has already flattened 6ft 7 giant Wladimir with a stunning second round knockout in Germany in March, 2003. The win should have opened the door to a big money fight but as is the norm at the higher end of the sport nowadays that boxing politics prevented him from cashing in, which is why he has been out of the ring for best part of a year.

Such was the extent of the out of ring antics that Sanders wondered whether or not he would ever cash in on the biggest upset win of 2003.

“We had doubts but we knew that we would get the big fight and the opportunity to make big money and this is the opportunity,” Sanders told SecondsOut.

Wlads promoters paid him big money to fight Vitali , not Wlad , because that was the plan and thats exactly how it played out.
Wlad fought two bum fights when Sanders was WBO champ. He had two opportunities to take the rematch and opted not to both times.

 

Sanders gave up the WBO title in December of 2003. Lewis was the WBC Champion at this time and Vitali was his mandatory and still seeking that fight.

You don't read. You have an idea in your head and you are sticking to it regardless of what the actual reported facts were.

There was more to it than all that, which you would know if you actually read the articles.

Sanders was rated #2 by WBC when Lewis was still the WBC Champion. Are you suggesting Vitali had controlling interest over Lewis' title? That Vitali got Sanders rated #2, that he knew all along Lewis would retire in February of 2004 and set up his master plan of revenge against Sanders? Get real. Tin foil hat nonsense you have to manufacture because you don't have facts to back up your pre-existing ideas.

Incorrect. The Nicholson fight was thrown together on a few weeks notiice because Sanders was still recovering from his mid 2003 injury and then suddenly vacated the title.

I also have articles that state Sanders vs Klitschko was still assumed to be on for December until Sanders stunned everyone with the Roy Jones Jr November bout announcement.


From December of 2003:


Wladimir Klitschko appears to have given up on gaining revenge on Corrie Sanders and has targeted a fight with the equally dangerous David Tua instead

Sanders gave up the WBO strap in favour of accepting a No.2 rating from the more respected WBC. The southpaw – who is currently recovering from a non-boxing related injury –

Whatever Wladimir faces Danell Nicholson on December 20, his second bout since the Sanders calamity.

 

You may want to back that up with some sort of evidence.

 

These are all non-points , you're arguing as if we don't have the benefit of hindsight.

We know that Wlad did NOT go and target a fight with David Tua as we know that he did not exercise his rematch clause against Sanders.
His actions are etched into history , you cannot change the past. We know he said one thing , but went and done another. He allowed Sanders run off with his belt while he sought out a bum fight. Thats not taking a rematch , that avoiding a rematch. You can't change that fact no matter how hard you try.

I never said that , you came up that that yourself... I said Wlads people paid Sanders over a $million to fight Vitali for the WBC.
The WBC rated Sanders #2 around the time Lewis retired. According to your links they gave him the ranking so he could fight Vitali.

At a press conference in London yesterday, Sander's promoters the Sports Entertainment and Media Group PLC announced that the World Boxing Council has nominated the South African southpaw to fight WBC No.1 Vitali Klitschko, following the retirement of champion Lennox Lewis last week.

Sanders had trouble motivating himself with no immediate big fight in the offing but soon returned to the gym when he got wind of Lennox Lewis’ intentions to call it a day.


Wlad and Vitali were under the same promoters and management. If Wlad wanted revenge he wouldn't have fought Moli and Nicholson....If he wanted revenge he wouldn't have allowed Vitali take the fight from him. He was obviously cool with it.

You're trying to claim that Sanders defiance to rematch Wlad was rewarded with a big money fight against his brother. Nobody outside the Klitschko fan-club buys that nonsense.

 

In fact he did. Tua was the #1 WBO but got into a legal battle and left the sport for two years, which is why it ended up being Brewster vs Wlad instead. It's all there in that big post you are scared to read.

I'm on the side of history, I'm for the whole story being told.

If "he wanted the fight it would have happened" is the crux of your whole argument, I don't see a point. That's willfully being ignorant and scared of context.

The fight was arranged by the WBC and Lennox Lewis was acting as Sanders' promoter, not Universum. Where are you getting this idea from?

Lewis said he will help promote Sanders and the Klitschko fight. Lewis is director of the management company representing Sanders.-an article from that big scary post.

YOU. SHOULD. READ. BEFORE YOU REPLY.

I actually just sourced an article from December 2003. And here is one from October when Sanders actually gave up the belt from the #2 rating. You are aware Lewis retired in February of 2004, some 5 months later. October of 2003, Vitali and Johnson had not even fought yet so Sanders had no idea who he would be facing for a shot at the WBC title.

Sanders ditches WBO title, installed as WBC No.2

By Anthony Evans: Corrie Sanders has dumped the WBO heavyweight title he ripped from Wladimir Klitschko in March and will now pursue the WBC championship, for which he was installed as the No.2 contender this morning (October 8). The South African’s manager Vernon Smith confirmed: “We gave up the WBO title two days ago. It is a decision we have been coming to for a while.”

[url]http://www.network54.com/Forum/189907/thread/1065665136/last-1065676583/Sanders+set+to+vacate+WBO+title+to+purse+WBC+belt[/url]

A promotion they severed ties with in early 04 and had a legal battle with.

Regarding Moli. Universum permitted Sanders a voluntary and wanted Wlad to take 3 months off and fight an interim to set up a December rematch if he looked good. It's not a matter of Wlad kicking his feet and sreaming "I want, I want. " It's all there.

Do you think stubborn ignorance makes you seem smarter? You were just shown an article that stated Sanders was injured at the time the Nicholson fight was made and sitting on his #2 WBC rating anyway.

I like this bizarre perception that Sanders had no say on who he wanted to fight. Sanders made his intentions very clear that he was done with the WBO and wanted a shot at the WBC title, of which Wlad was not in standing with.

I'm not even sure what you are trying to say here.

Sanders was screwed by the WBO, upset with Universum, and out with injury for the remainder of 03 after he got drunk and punched a window according to some obituaries. I don't think he defiantly avoided a Wlad rematch, but he still got a good cash out.

 

Another unrelated non-point.

You can keep telling me these things , but I'll showing .

The turn of events followed as this.

- Wlad cherry picked Sanders
- Sanders knocked Wlad out
- Wlad avoided the rematch to fight Moli and Nicholson.
- Vitali ( Not Wlad) offered Sanders the pay day he wanted
- Wlad then imeadiately fought for the vacant WBO belt
- Wlad was knocked out again.

Feel free to argue against those FACTS. It will only prove that's its YOU who is stubborn and ignorant. But you already displayed a level of pure pig ignorance when you dismissed the quotes of Corrie Sanders himself.


Corrie Sanders doesn’t know why Wladimir Klitschko never sought a rematch.

Sanders, now 44, doesn’t understand why Klitschko never tried to avenge his knockout loss to him. In an article at Sportbox.ru, Sanders says “Yes, it would be nice to fight him [Wladimir] again. I do not know why he never wanted a rematch.” Sanders latter on went up against Wladimir’s big brother Vitali Klitschko

[url]http://www.boxingnews24.com/2010/06...hy-wladimir-klitschko-never-sought-a-rematch/[/url]

 

Provide proof that Wlad only fought Nicholson because Sanders was injured?

Im about to show you proof that's is a lie.


Nicholson confirmed for Wladimir

Fringe contender Danell ‘Doc’ Nicholson has been confirmed as the

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for deposed heavyweight heir apparent Wladimir Klitschko on December 20 at the massive Ostseehalle in Kiel, Germany.

While the 36-year-old Nicholson, 42-4 (32), is much better than that some will be disappointed that Wladimir has not been match more aggressively since his setback. Promoters Universum had promised an immediate return to world class following the Sanders calamity – there was even talk of the 27-year-old Klitschko facing David Tua –

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, promoter Klaus-Peter Kohl said

Note the key sentences I highlighted for you.

'Comeback opponent'
'Tip -Toeing his way back'
'The kind of opponent Wladimir needs'

Nowhere does it say that Sanders was unavailable because of an injury. . Kluas Peter Kohl explains exactly why Wladimir fought Nicholson.

 

2 defeats to a retired failed contender wouldhave wrecked any credibility he had left, so no of course not.

I expect the plan was to wait till sanders was mid40something and slow as shyte worth, and so untrained that he was worth only 1 round of action, and then offer him a pay cheque, but sanders died.

 

Of course Klitschko didn't fight Nicholson ONLY because Sanders was injured. Nice wording there.

The article you posted was from Nov. 24, 2003. When Klitschko vs Nicholson was announced for Dec. 20.

Sanders was scheduled to face Brewster Oct. 18 but cancelled over hand injury
Sanders vacated the WBO title on Oct. 08 in exchange for a #2 WBC rating.


Like I already stated:

Sanders gave up the WBO strap in favour of accepting a No.2 rating from the more respected WBC. The southpaw – who is currently recovering from a non-boxing related injury –