should Wlad Klitschko have been DQ'd?

Yes, I am getting tired of him holding down his opponents neck

 

+1. Rather disgraceful that the ref even allowed it to persist. IMO this fight was better categorized as MMA.

 

Refs are just too scare to take action against excessive clinching even though its in clear violation of the rules. If a ref would just make an example out of one of these guys who flagrantly break the rules then it might wake every one up.

 

Last night's referee is completely incompetent. He was in awe of his hero Vladimir Klitschko.

Heavyweight boxing sucks since Lennox Lewis started thing grabbing/holding trend, and the Klitschkos continued in his footsteps.

 

Lewis used to hold a lot. Watch Lewis/Tua, not to mention others. Ali used to hold all night!

No, even the HBO biased commentators said he should not have been disqualified.

 

The clinching was no doubt excessive. Wlad should have been warned as early as the 3rd round for his clinching and his leaning on his opponent. Had he not altered his strategy then yes he should have been disqualified. But the referee is to blame as much as Wlad. Why abandon a strategy when it is clearly working for you? This is fight, the rules are always bent and sometimes broken if a fighter is allowed to do it.

Those defending Wlad need to realise there point of view is biased as the evidence last night was clear, I counted 169 clinches from Wlad last night though some have it higher than that. That's a clinch every 12.78 seconds, that's excessive.

Povetkin coming in low did not force Wlad to clinch, Wlad chose to clinch because it was the easiest and most effective tactic available to him. Coming in low only forces a clinch when the opponent has been unable to control range, use an uppercut, or turn their opponent, all things Wlad is not proficient at. If coming in low was always a prerequisite to clinching Vitali would have hugged Chisora to death as well, he did not because he controls range better than Wlad and has smarter movement.

Farmboxer you need to watch Lewis/Tua again, Lewis didn't clinch half as much as Wlad did last night. Wlad probably instigated more clinches in the first 3 rounds than the entire Lewis/Tua fight.

Yes Ali sometimes clinched excessively most notably in the 2nd Frazier fight. Difference between Ali and Wlad, is Wlad is a spoiler, he uses clinches to negate a fight breaking out. Ali threw more punches, would trade and was much more aggressive and sometimes used the clinch just to recover and rest not just to spoil.

 

Warned and then had points deducted if all the fouling continued, with dq as a last resort. It was the ref's fault for not enforcing the rules. Wlad literally threw the guy down onto the canvas three or four times before the ref deducted a point.

 

Guys, you seem to be missing Povetkin's role in all that clinching. What was that bumping his head into Wlad's midsection all night long all about. Wlad could've wrenched free and stepped back I guess, but the ref should have warned both of them to stop what they were doing.

The thing is that Wlad was gaining from those moments while Povetkin was losing out, yet he kept doing it again and again. Who's to blame here? I go with Povetkin. His head sticking tactics were stupid and had little to do with boxing as well.

 

Why was Povetkin allowed to be able to get into a position where his head was touching Wlad's midsection. Isn't a boxer meant to create space to box? Why is is every fighter that comes forward always end up in this position like Mormeck and Povetkin? With there head pushed down or tied up.

Answer is Wlad either steps in to smother his opponent allowing him to clinch or pushes his opponents head down into this position to control them inside.

You ask why Povetkin continued to do this when is was losing him the fight? The answer is he wasn't doing it, it was Wlad forcing him into this position. Povetkin has fought big guys before and never used this tactic, the reason being it wasn't his doing it was all Wlad. Watch Povetkin's fight with the 2 metre tall firtha, where is the coming in low, head into midsection from Povetkin here?

I find the attempt to pass blame on to Povetkin for Wlad's excessive clinching to be a pathetic attempt at damage control. Wlad clinches excessively, fact, can't be denied we've seem him do it enough times in enough fights to realise this isn't a anomaly this is how he fights.

Wlad has found a style that suits him well, the jab and grab. Taught to him by Steward, Steward did the same with Lewis. Difference is Lewis had more dimensions to his game he didn't just have clinching and leaning when in close he could do other things, Wlad cannot.

 

Whatever he was doing he was not refereeing.Wlad did not want o fight and Povetkin was too limited to do much with his leaning and grabbing.Wlad stunk the place out once again,as I thought he would .
I watched it on Box nation,I would never pay just for a Wlad "fight".A farcical disgrace.

 

Actually Ali introduced that and also got away with it.

 

You still didn't answer why Povetkin wasn't using his elbows and uppercuts once inside. He just stood there like an oaf. Why didn't he work Wlad's body ffs? It was a passive surrender on his part as if the only safe place in the ring for him was with his head into Wlad's trunks. I'm not happy with how Wlad handled these moment but the truth is that it worked for him, and Povetekin didn't even ATTEMPT to change his tactics.

I guess he stood there crouched waiting for Wlad's right uppercut in hope of throwing a left overhand. Wlad saw it and never gave it to him. And Povetkin's corner never persuaded their boxer to change the gameplan. That was a failure on Povetkin's part, not Wlad's, who looked ugly but efficient.

 

He wasn't allowed to work on the inside to use his elbows and uppercuts because of Wlad's excessive clinching. Yes povetkin could have done better he could have done what Mayweather did to neagte Hatton's clinching, don't square up, drive the shoulder in and use the elbow and forearm to create room to punch and break the clinch. Fact is Povetkin is not as good or as smart as Mayweather.

But this does not excuse Wlad from clinching too much. Povetkin could not adapt to Wlad's clinching but Wlad could not adapt and create range or side step Povetkin when he got in close and was forced to clinch.

The big difference here is Povetkin not being able to adapt is not illegal, clinching too much is illegal. Any fair minded person can see the difference. It should not be Povetkin's responsibility to adapt and stop his opponent from using illegal tactics, it's the referees.