Should Wladimir Klitchko be allowed by the ref to do what he always does?

Hoorah, somebody else saw that too. Yanks hate on the Klits as they are not Americans and the HW title has always been regarded as an American possession (especially by the Americans) and now it isnt they dont like it.....And no, I am no KLitchko fan but they are utterly dominating the opposition and can continue to do so for a while judging by the state of the division

 

I'm pretty sure the Klitschkos are more popular in America than they are in the UK, for obvious reasons...so I don't know what you're going on about Yanks for. Most of the Klitschko fans on this board are from the US. They sure as **** aren't from the UK.

 

Excessive holding is not allowed under the unified rules of boxing... The refs can (and should) give two warnings, then start taking points... and in extreme cases a DQ.

If this was done regularly,,, we would have a hell of alot less boring fights to sit through.

I just don't get how you fkn guys can argue that holding is OK! It's bull****!

(unless the guy is hurt bad and clinching to survive the round that is... otherwise take a point!)

 

Stfu I haven't seen the fight. There's a rule against leaning on the ropes now? I said he held Foreman behind the head and got away with it (Although the ref was on his case watch the fight).

He did not hold to the extent Wlad did last night. No way, you can count if you want. There was a 3-5 clinches every 20 seconds. And it wasn't jumping forward with a purposeful extent to clinch, not at least to the same extent.

The problem isn't Wlad doing what he should, the problem is the tolerance from refs. When you're in Germany the HW champ you can get away with it though. Lewis held Tyson 3-4 times and got warned right off the bat in the 1st round of their fight. Ali was warned from holding behind the neck against Frazier in Manila, and against Frazier in the Garden. Holmes tried using the move, jab, and hit tactic on Tyson and even he was starting to get warned to break sooner and to hold less. The issue isn't as much about just holding as it is to be hugging/holding for a long duration. Part of the problem really stems from the fact the other trainers/corner doesn't complain or warn their concerns and Peter didn't even struggle or try to fight out of it to show that it bothered him. The fact that it's Wlad vs some unworthy perceived guy and not "Mike Tyson" makes it all the more tolerable.

 

Because of the preferential treatment some fighters have gotten in the past. The rules seem to be less and less in back of a refs mind (It depends on the ref though). Ali got away with a lot of things. He never went to a neutral corner versus Bonavena and he held sometimes a bit much especially the post 1976 version.

However, I have never seen his holding comparable to the what we saw last night. It's not about just holding but it's about holding and staying clinched for extensive periods of time. It's illegal when it's done in such excess. Period, that's the bottom line.

A lot of times we see it when fighters are on the attack and miss and smack into each other. Those times it's more natural, although we should have fighters breaking off quicker and not just accepting the clinch. You really don't always need a ref to get out of a clinch. Lastly, Wlad was looking to punch and then come forward JUST to hold. There was absolutely zero intent to punch or attack. His only forward movement was a method of reach out like an octopus and clinging. This **** is absolutely illegal and should be completely intolerable and injustifable. It's not even a question of two bodies coming together. It's purposeful clinching. And when in that much excess it's illegal.

 

In some fights Wlad's holding pisses me off, but last night I can't really fault him. Peter regulary closed the gap and fell into Wlad almost purposely. You can even see Wlad quite openly throwing his hands up as if to say I don't wanna clinch, but how can you blame him? When he is so tall why would he want to fight on the inside when he doesn't need to? Peter frequently closed the distance and then just smothered himself and fell into Wlad, then from that position Wlad is at an extra risk of getting sucker punched on the break unless he waits for the ref to break.

 

thats how floyd and hopkins fight too

 

hopkins holds and hits, the worst and most cheap tactic.

 

All in all the inevitable avalanche of post fight Wlad bashing has tapered off signifigantly this time. Usually many more of these themed threads pop up and get fueled.

 

I think there have definitely been times when Wlad should have been penalised for holding. Saying that, Peter was the one instigating the majority of holding last night- Wlad was clearly getting frustrated with it as the rounds went on.

Attributing Wlad's whole defence to holding is way over the top though. So holding is the only reason he doesn't get hit?

 

You're right. It's unfair of Wlad to use his height and reach. He should fight fair like Paul Williams, not like some ass who uses their natural advantages, like RJJ unfairly did with speed. This is outrageous!

 

Foreman should not have used his power or pushed people away to avoid inside fighting. It was morally wrong. I'm just agreeing with you, no need to be hostile.