Shouldn't Ward be grateful to Goossen for home advantage in all his Super Six fights?

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  1. JAB5239

    JAB5239 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Exactly. Ward was simply just the best fighter in the S6. He would have beaten anyone anywhere, he was just thaft much better.
     
  2. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Tell me one S6 fighter who lost at home in the competition?
    Ward fought a close fight with a fatigued Froch, imagine a non fatigued Froch at home.
    In fact tell me which American/American based SMWs have won a big world title fight in Europe?
     
  3. JAB5239

    JAB5239 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Both Johnson and Taylor lost at home. Froch had no problem with traveling for those fights. You do a great warrior like Carl a disservice by making excuses not even he would make. He was beafen by the better fighter, its as simple as that. As far as what American won in Europe? None. What does that mean? Fighters get beat by better fighters not where they fight.
     
  4. JAB5239

    JAB5239 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Oh and lets not forget the Dirrell fight many thought Froch lost (not myself) and all the illegal rabbit punching he was allowed to get away with. Why is this never brought up?
     
  5. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Home advantage makes all the difference.
    Some fighters can fair better when away, but still are at a disadvantage.
    J Taylor didnt lose a S6 contest at home. He lost to Froch before the S6 and was having a great home performance before the finish.
    the S6 highlighted home advantage.
    As you note, that not one American SMW has won a big world title fight in Europe that you can think of, which shows how home advantage counts for so much.
    Froch and Ward was a close run thing and we dont know how Ward would do, had he had to do the run Froch had, had to endure and we dont know how Ward would do as an away fighter.
    It has shown for American SMWs that it makes all the difference
     
  6. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Do you not thing some of the rabbit punching happened due to Dirrell ducking below the belt line which is also not legal, or how much Dirrell was able to get away with holding.
    But look at the difference to how Dirrell looked fighting away and holding and seeming concerned to how he was in his next fight at home
     
  7. JAB5239

    JAB5239 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Lol, when i get time I'll make you an extensive list of fighters fighting away from home who won. At the elite level it means nothing.
     
  8. JAB5239

    JAB5239 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So you're saying Dirrell would have won fighting at home?
     
  9. bailey

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    Just stick to SMW. I can see you are trying to squirm out of many of the points I made, which is fine.
    Point is, we dont know how Ward would have faired had he had Frochs run, and was an away fighter. In fact would the S6 have happened if Ward were to be an away fighter? He seemed to want to be at home and why would that be? Home advantage maybe?
    His fight with Dirrell didnt happen.
    Now if you want to make a list maybe make one where American and European SMWs have travelled to America/Europe in world title fights and the results and you can see how valuable being at home is to many SMWs (that is the division we are talking)
     
  10. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    We wont know as it hasnt happened but judging by his 2 performances I would say that it is a very big possibility.

    Just look now at how anthony Dirrell is saying he wont fight Froch in the UK and if the fight is to happen, he is expecting Froch the unified established proven champ to travel for him, rather than him travel to face the old champ
     
  11. JAB5239

    JAB5239 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Traveling to another country is travto another country. Why stick to just Europe and America? I can prove fighters win very often in other countries, it why you just want me to stick to a certain parameter. :yep
     
  12. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    No lets just stick to SMW and Europe and America. For your info, Europe isnt one country.
    I see you are uncomfortable with this and wanting a way out. I understand. Feel free to drop it if you like as you know yourself you are in a corner
     
  13. Salty Dog

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    You gotta' be kidding. Dre dominated...D-O-M-I-N-A-T-E-D... Froch with basically one hand.

    The odds of any version of Carl to date beating any version of Ward to date are nanoscopic.

    Move on. There is nothing but pain for you here.
     
  14. JAB5239

    JAB5239 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No, you're the one in a corner. Home country equals home field advantage according to you. If it works for one country it should work for all. Cant have it both ways son! :yep
     
  15. Grinder

    Grinder Dude, don't call me Dude Full Member

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    Son of headbutt received a gift over Kessler. That fight and all the administration around it should be reviewed. The fight pretty much ended Kessler's career. What kind of refereeing was that? The fight against Froch just showed Froch's limitations.