SHows how good Joe Calzaghe actually is

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Anglosaxon, Oct 19, 2008.


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  1. nervousxtian

    nervousxtian Trolljegeren Full Member

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    Come the **** on you Calzaghe-nut-hugger wankers.

    Your same logic makes Taylor on the same level as Calzaghe.

    Stupid, stupid, stupid. Styles make fights, Pavlik wasn't ready for the movement and speed, and Hopkins bewildered him.

    Hop used a similar approach, but Calzaghe adapted better, but STILL I thought Hopkins won that fight as Joe only "cleanly" won, what 2-3 rounds, and was KD. I thought Hop won it on clean punches, Joe barely landed in that fight, and looked AS BAD AS PAVLIK through much of it.

    Hopkins Tito'd Pavlik, much like Calzaghe Tito'd Lacy. I'd argue that Pavlik is better than Lacy based on whom they beat leadin gup to those fights.

    Yet it comes down to this:

    Hopkins was the best Middleweight of our generation.

    Calzaghe is the best Super Middleweight of our generation, arguably of all time in the division, but this has more to the division being historically weak compared to middleweight.
     
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  2. pngo

    pngo #1Contender Full Member

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    So Taylor was smart enough to frustrate him too? The only thing I'm saying is that BHOP is not the same fighter he was in his prime. What I mean with this is that he could fight the WHOLE 12 rounds without tiring out or taking a break, which is what he does now. I also said that while he isn't the same, he still good enough to give problems to any top fighter out there.
     
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  3. Anglosaxon

    Anglosaxon FASTEST HANDS ON ESB Full Member

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    Well according to most on here (Americans) Joe barely beat an over the hill fighter, and Pavlik would KO Joe in a few rounds... But as we seen, Hopkins is a great fighter, and he isn't a spent force, he thrashed Pavlik with speed and movement.. something which he doesn't have an advantage over Joe with, add to this Joe did beat Hopkins, not easily, but yes, I'd say as convincingly as someone could for their first fight in a new weight, and away from Britain, and with the style Hopkins employed, and despite Hopkins being a shell through the fight, with his tactics, dirty tricks, defence, the stats read Calzaghe landed 232 of 707 punches (33 percent) to Hopkins' 127 of 468 (27 percent). Hopkins landed some great shots , about half a dozen, mostly in the first 3 rounds, in which I believe Joe was aclimatising to his weight, the venue and of course, despite his experience, slight nerves, once he relaxed he became himself, and Hopkins couldn't fight in spurts like he did last night displaying his speed against Pavlik, because Calzaghe adapted to his tactics and beat him fairly, each round was close, each round Joe did win however, hence my 8-9 round margin.

    This Hopkins victory was a kick in the teeth for all calzaghe haters, and nullifies the argument that ''Joe nearly got beat by an old man'' oh and De La Hoya against Hopkins was a joke, of course Hopkins was going to murder him, you may aswell feed Hatton or Pacman to Calzaghe to even that one up.
     
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  4. Toopretty

    Toopretty Custom made Full Member

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    Bhop was overrtrained for Calzaghe and he said so himself. Thats why he trained far less for Pavlik. WHENEVER BHOP had the stamina in the Calzaghe fight he was winning easy. I mean ****ing easy. For those that claim Calzaghe showed his greatness in that fight is ****ing laughable. What the **** did he do? Just name the punches he landed in what round. If I am not mistaken there was only two rounds where he actually landed clean blows the other was just work rate of nothing and flurries of missed punches. In the middle of the ring he got outboxed easy.
     
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  5. Anglosaxon

    Anglosaxon FASTEST HANDS ON ESB Full Member

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    But the basis of Joe not being great was based upon Hopkins being over the hill, and Joe so much younger... so aside from what you think people are comparing... what it did prove is, Hopkins wasn't a spent force, unless pavlik really was that bad?

    Anyway, Calzaghes never lost, Hopkins and Pavlik have, as has Taylor, so far we have never seen Calzaghe get beaten, so i think comparing Calzaghe to anyone is insulting to Joe.
     
    Anglosaxon, Oct 19, 2008
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  6. Toopretty

    Toopretty Custom made Full Member

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    **** YEAH :rofl:rofl Not only did JT beat Hopkins, he did it twice. :lol::lol: But he lost to Pavlik twice. There ****ing european logic is all ****ed up. They will never have a damned clue. And they act like JT or Calzaghe CLEARLY beat Bhop. They beat him on activity but not actually landing punches.
     
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  7. Anglosaxon

    Anglosaxon FASTEST HANDS ON ESB Full Member

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    It was the other way around.... hence Hopkins less impressive stats, and Joe having landed double, but anyway, thats besides the point, as you fail to recognise many factors in the fight, like venue, step up in weight, biased ref, dirty tricks etc, and the fact Joe landed double Hopkins punches despite Hopkins only fighting not to be hit, then you will always have your tinted Bhop shades well and truly encroached on your noggin.
     
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  8. Anglosaxon

    Anglosaxon FASTEST HANDS ON ESB Full Member

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    Read above, Pavlik ruined America's basis for Joe not being great, by getting beaten badly by a spent force.. oh and not landing? teh Official stats Calzaghe landed 232 of 707 punches (33 percent) to Hopkins' 127 of 468 (27 percent) at this point, I feel I should point out to you, Calzaghe wasn't teh black guy, as you are clearly confused.
     
    Anglosaxon, Oct 19, 2008
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  9. christo

    christo Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    **** off!

    calzaghe beat hops hands down. even atlas admitted one guy won the fight. get over it! dickhead
     
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  10. pngo

    pngo #1Contender Full Member

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    Almost everyone knows not to trust compubox.
     
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  11. Boro chris

    Boro chris Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The anti Calzaghe bs on this site just plumbed new depths. Whoever you thought won Calzaghe/Hopkins, it was the very definition of a close fight!
    Hopkins/Pavlik was a mismatch. The very opposite of last nights massacre.
     
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  12. mstar

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    the problem with people on here is that they have not seen calzaghe he is a ADAPTIVE fighter, he can do it all, he has the experience and ring craft as good as bhop. The problem bhop had was that calzaghe can change on in the fight to whatever tactics he needs to win -see the knockdown how he changed tactics as later on in the fight bhop could not do much, and it was calzaghe all the way. People should give calzage more credit he is a good fighter with great ring intelligence (he just has a idiotic trainer, who he never listens to anyway in fights) and thats why bhop couldn't put on a performance like he did to pavlik as calzaghe is tooooooooo smart and miles better the pavlik
     
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  13. Philphy Rich

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    I would hope that isn't the case. Surely there's someone who has a clue about boxing here.
     
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  14. Anglosaxon

    Anglosaxon FASTEST HANDS ON ESB Full Member

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    2 out of 3 American judges also saw it that way :(
     
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  15. No Fear

    No Fear Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Let me simplify things for you.

    You asked "How does [Calzaghe] come out the victor?" from last night.

    The answer is that no-one with half a brain can accuse him of ducking Pavlik now or in the future.

    Which is only really half the reason why Calzaghe is a beneficiary of the result of last night's fight.


    If you're still struggling with this, I can probably dumb it down one more time.
     
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