SI Named Andre Ward The Fighter of the Decade...

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  1. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    Ward spent half the decade sat on his obnoxious egotistical ass doing NOTHING !!!!! How on earth can you make that POS Fighter of the Decade !!! ???
     
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  2. Alo2006

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    I like Ward, but I don't agree with this pick.
     
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  3. aaalbert

    aaalbert Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I get that some people may have different opinions about who should've been chosen (including me) but damn I've never seen so many people triggered over Andre Ward...
     
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  4. Tramell

    Tramell The Ideological Slayer: I Slay Ideology! Full Member

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    I don't agree, but the article makes a strong case -showing each contestant lacked something be it Ward, Pac, Floyd or Canelo. I'm cool with their pick, but again not my choice.
     
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  5. eltirado

    eltirado Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Andre Ward is soaked-up in Dopamine reading those bitter replies on a niche-forum, complaining about his historic achievement documented on mainstream media, future historic archive.

    He planned this all along...probably when he was 10 years old...

    Short fused Emo-boys got no chance against Andre Ward
     
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  6. RingKing75

    RingKing75 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wow you Kov fans just can't get over this. The first fight was close no doubt and I like many had Kov winning a close decision. It was close and it wasn't the huge robbery people make it out to be. Its just bias fans that see it far more of a robbery than it actually was. The second fight low blow is all bs! I've challenged many to do a video with time stamps of all these low blows. I have yet to have anyone step up. The fact is there were a couple of low blows early in the fight that weren't enough to change the outcome of that fight. What did change the outcome of that fight were the clear, clean and damaging low blows that Ward was landing several times every round. KO8 get over it.
     
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  7. Nonito Smoak

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    A lot of the top guys have a big accomplishment in 2009 that doesn't count. Roman loses Niida and Takayama, Ward loses Kessler, Ioka loses Oleydong, etc. Probably Canelo he did so much the past 10 fighting and beating so many names. Has to have the most wins over #1's, top 3's, top 10's, etc.
     
  8. Cafe

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    I don't think I really disagree with the pick but it seems rather underwhelming. I'd pick Canelo over Ward to be honest. I think he did way more even if a lot of his **** is questionable.
     
  9. ShovelHook

    ShovelHook Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Pretty sure Eubank had only lost to Collins at that point and was 30/31... and Froch really beat the who's who of that division, having only lost to Ward clearly which is a real feather in Ward's cap admittedly.
    Froch's resumé would blow you away tbh. Brian Magee, Robin Reid, Jean Pascal, Jermain Taylor, Andre Dirrell, Mikkel Kessler, Arthur Abraham, Glen Johnson, Lucian Bute and George Groves. That is stellar. He and Calzaghe are the two vying for that #1 spot in my estimation.
     
  10. Cafe

    Cafe Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Also, I think Fighter of the Decade shouldn't only come down to who has the best wins (which Ward doesn't, at least not unquestionably).

    The way I see it, it's about presence and who carries the sport in that time period. Certainly not Ward, dude retired in 2017, that's minus ~3 years. Then he had his 2 years hiatus. So really he wasn't even relevant for half of the decade. And in the years he did fight, it wasn't like he faced killer after killer, he's had 3-4 noteworthy events. In 20-30 years when I look back on the 10's, Ward will definitely not be the first thing that comes to my mind.
     
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  11. shadow111

    shadow111 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    None of those guys have faced the level of competition that Canelo has faced, especially someone as hard to beat as Mayweather. Inoue debuted in late 2012 and hasn't fought on the world stage. He has only fought outside of Japan twice. He has only one win over a name opponent which was Nonito Donaire, who is in his late 30s and who already had 4 losses this decade including one loss by stoppage.

    Inoue is an incredible talent but he hasn't fought on the world stage, didn't debut until 3 years into the decade, and hasn't beaten any name opponents outside of Nonito Donaire. Canelo's resume and wins over name opponents throughout the decade blows Inoue out of the water.

    And if you don't count catchweight wins then you'll have to throw out Mayweather's win over a drained Canelo at 152, which would make Canelo undefeated too. You of course need to consider the level of competition that each fighter has faced. You can't hold it against a fighter for having so-called questionable decisions when they are daring to be great by taking on the best fighters in the sport consistently vs a guy getting KO's over guys nobody's ever heard of in Japan.

    Fury and Wilder may not have had any questionable wins per-say but they both certainly have a questionable decision on their record. Fury was out on his feet in the final round vs Wilder, whereas Canelo has never been knocked down. Now granted Canelo hasn't fought anybody with the kind of power Wilder possesses but plenty of referees would have (wrongly in my estimation) called off the fight with Fury lying there motionless on the canvas. Canelo has never been hurt like that or that close to being stopped.

    Also Fury was inactive for 2 and a half years after he beat Wlad, which needs to be considered. Wilder certainly has an argument but the public pretty much unanimously believes he lost damn near every vs Fury and consider the draw to be questionable. So Wilder is very lucky to not have a loss to Fury, so that's certainly a questionable decision.
     
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  12. shadow111

    shadow111 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You calling me a Kovalev fan is downright hilarious. Kovalev is one of my least favorite fighters ever. Not only that, but he apparently kicks dogs. I totally agree with you that the first fight was close and wasn't a robbery. I personally had no problem with Ward winning it, I just pointed out that many thought Kovalev won and there's certainly an argument for that.

    I also agree that the low blow BS in the rematch was a huge exaggeration and I made it clear that the only real low blow was the last punch Ward landed which was when Kovalev was hunched over in a fetal position which makes it difficult to aim a body shot. All that crying from Kovalev fans were a huge exaggeration in my estimation and I was never one of those people.
     
  13. eltirado

    eltirado Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Canelo would have a better chance at becoming an ATG level at 135-140 boxer just like JCC or a boxer of his frame, anything higher than 140 he can't be an ATG, but life is hard & he had to do what he had to do to get the big $ fights.

    Should be fair, he wanted $, he got $, but $ can't buy legacy....Joe Louis, SRR died with zero $...It didn't hurt their legacy a bit...Lots of Billionaires died with no legacy...besides having a weakness for money

    Canelo career/hype proves:
    • DLH good character as loyal friend/manager
    • Mayweather genius converting Canelo into Passive income
     
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  14. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Si doesnt really matter
     
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  15. eltirado

    eltirado Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Si does really matter

     
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