Sick and Tired of the Nostalgia for Past Era Fighters

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  1. BoxingDomain

    BoxingDomain Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Fighters from the 50s-70s were good, no doubt.

    HOWEVER, they were not INVINCIBLE as so many of you seem to now believe.

    I understand why people believe this, it's human nature to look back nostalgic on things from the past: http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200411/nostalgia-the-past


    If you look at the FACTS, it just doesn't add up.
    Track and Field for example, look at the records from decades past, and look at today's records.....there's no way the top athletes from 40-years ago could complete on a competitive level with those today. Same goes for boxing.

    Today's athletes are bigger, stronger, and have better nutrition and training.

    The thread about Frazier beating Wladimir cracks me up. Frazier wouldn't have beaten Lewis, Wlad, or Vitali....he was 5′ 11½″, with a 73" reach, and weighed about 205lbs in his prime. No, size is NOT everything, just look at Julius Long and Valuev. However, when you combine size, supreme conditioning, and skill, there's no way Frazier competes with the best today.

    Yes, in decades past there were some very good fighters, and yes, boxing was more popular then (at least in the US) than it is today. That doesn't change the fact, imo, that past era fighters are extremely overrated when comparing them against today's fighters.
     
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  2. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    I'm sure you are...
     
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  3. LocoRoco

    LocoRoco ★★★★★ Full Member

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    nice story
     
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  4. SportsLeader

    SportsLeader Chilling Full Member

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    I agree to a certain extent, but it's true that Wlad has never faced anyone as good as Joe Frazier.
     
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  5. Jazzo

    Jazzo Non-Facebook Fag Full Member

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    How dare you?
     
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  6. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    Or, through no fault of his own, anyone even slightly close.
     
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  7. HyperUppercut

    HyperUppercut Atheists,u'll get da shit Full Member

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    I agree for the most part. Although I think frazier dusts Wlad off easily. But yea, ESB is for the most part generationally biased.
     
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  8. Jazzo

    Jazzo Non-Facebook Fag Full Member

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    Dude, size is NOT everything.
     
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  9. techks

    techks ATG list Killah! Full Member

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    Yes, it's how you use it. No pun intended.
     
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  10. SportsLeader

    SportsLeader Chilling Full Member

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    Ad that's precisely why he loses most of these hypothetical H2H match ups with fighters from the past.
     
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  11. AnthonyW

    AnthonyW ESB Official Gif Poster Full Member

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    None of the Heavyweights today have faced anyone in the league of the Ali's, Frazier's, etc of the past...could they step up?
     
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  12. Predicto

    Predicto Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So, Purity, Sanders and Brewster all stopped Wlad,,, but Ali, Frazier and Foreman would'nt stand a chance???
     
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  13. iceman71

    iceman71 WBC SILVER Champion Full Member

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    joe frazier didnt lose 3 times in his prime to c level fighters
    his first losses came against undefeated wrecking machine george foreman and muhammad ali , not ross purity and lamon brwester and corrie sanders
     
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  14. spud1

    spud1 HAWK TIME!!!! Full Member

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    Based on his style, he would be hell for wlad, and to correct you 205 lbs is enough weight to hurt anyone when used properly.

    But yes in general old timers are regarded to high at times, such as sonny liston.

    I have seen him in many top 5 heavyweights of all time.

    ridiculous i know.
     
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  15. timeout

    timeout Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I said it before and I will say it again comparing the fighters from different era's is an futile exercise in AIDS.
    Only in 1970 was the 10sec broken for 100m sprint.
    Usain bolt 2010 - 9.58

    Comparing them is like saying Usain Bolt would get beaten by Ray Norton...
     
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