Sick and Tired of the Nostalgia for Past Era Fighters

Getting hit in the face for a living is a whole different world to running up and down an athletic track or field.

Mental toughness always has been and always will be the most critical part of a boxer's makeup. A better athlete does not equate to a better a boxer. Two words: Zab Judah.

Reality is the world has become more and more pussified, and no doubt that has translated into the boxing ring.

Fighters of old fought 15 rounders and a hell of a lot more often so they were fitter, better tuned fighters.

Most had to fight to survive so they were hungrier aswell.

The only advantage the modern day fighter has is better nutrition. But like I said the physical aspect plays a far less crucial role in boxing than it does other sports.

The training has become more advanced with time, but I wouldn't say it's better than the good hard training routines of the past. You can't even say fighters are better physically these days when you see so many gas out before 12. There are maybe only a handful of fighters nowadays who would possibly be comfortable doing 15 rounds.

And boxing is still the same sport, with the same rules. Fighters skill levels haven't evolved, you still have a vast variety of differently skilled fighters. No doubt the greatest fighters of today could compete with and beat the best of eras past. But it would have nothing to do with them being bigger and stronger due to better nutrition and training.

 

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:dealI agree

Champions of the world lived on the same streets that there fans lived on.

Some of these fighters and champs had second jobs to make a living,support there familys.

They trained harder.fought longer and more often.Were tougher men in general and due to all of this,there was a larger % of quality fighters for them to compete against one another.

 

you don't know **** about boxing. name me a fighter today who can throw a counter right like archie moore, a pull back counter with the fuking uppercut like gavilan, throw a lead hook with the speed and leverage of floyd patterson

you can't. stfu and go educate yourself

 

Its simple yeah.
Way more people boxed back then, the sport was a lot more popular, it was followed a lot more.
It then makes sense that a better grade of athlete boxed rather than played other sports i.e. basketball or baseball or whatever...
So it then makes sense that a boxer from that era was superior to todays boxer.

 

The idea that the old guys were better/ tougher because there were more fighters and they went 15 rds is also subjective...this whole idea of comparing eras is an excercise in futility. Because there were more boxers doesn't mean they were better. they could have just had more bums to KO...to say they are tougher is difficult to prove...they went 15rds true but what kind of rounds were they? were they throwing 40 punches per round? were they getting hit by a sledgehammer jab a la Wlad? Vitali threw 800 punches at Arreola and was still going strong in the 10th could he go 5 more absolutely... were they carrying 250lbs around? No...the sport has changed as have the fighters, to compare them is a neverending debate between those who support today's fighters and those who favor those of the past and on both sides you will see a selective accumulation of "facts" that support the particular arguement. Past fighters were great but they're gone now so lets support and enjoy what we have and resurect this sport and put it back on top...

 

Answer the man.

 

gotta agree...past fighters are damn near untouchable when put with today's best......its not that they win...i agree they would win some fights but man some act like they just bowl over some of the best fighters today....i stand by my word when i say Pac, Floyd, RJJ, Oscar, Bhop if put in any era.....still are and will be GREATS!

they will lose some of course but definitely will win their fair share.

 

give the ignorant ******* some time. his brain probably exploded from seeing counter and uppercut in the same sentence

 

Bringing up other sports like athletics, NFL, NBL or football as examples of how athletes have improved is a mute point as while these sports have evolved, gone more global and become more popular, boxing has gone backwards.

Boxing is simply not that popular anymore so less kids take it up which results in less depth of talent and therefore less is required to cut it at pro level.

Imagine if football suddenly declined in popularity and had the same amount of people taking up the sport at grass roots level, with only access to the same standard of facilities that boxing has - you would start seeing some very mediocre guys competing at the top level.

The greats will always be greats, but strength in depth of talent and skills requires widespread participation from a young age, which is not happening in boxing.

 

When people say things like
- "guys used to fight more often so they were in better shape" I hear "guys constantly fought worn out and with injuries"
- "guys used to go 15 rounds, they had more stamina" I hear "guys used to fight tired in late rounds, guys used to pace themselves more in the early rounds, guys took more damage during the course of a fight"
- "guys used to completely dominate their opponents" I hear "guys were often matched up against far inferior opponents or opponents who were worn out from fighting too often"
- "guys often had to support themselves through second jobs" I hear "guys didn't have boxing on their minds, they were distracted, didn't have time to train or sleep, just showed up for a paycheck"

I'm not saying it's the rule, but guys, the pendulum swings in both directions.

 

lol you are an idiot comparing sizes, Fraizer probably wouldn't have beaten Wladimir, but he would of had a better shot compared to the likes of Chambers, Chagaev, and Ibrimgov.

 

Emmanuel Steward even said the heavyweight division today is one of the weakest in it's history. It's like comparing Joe Fraizer to Samuel Peter, Larry Holmes to Eddie Chambers, Ruslan Chagev to Sonny Liston. BoxingDomain you shouldn't even post again if think today's heavyweight division can match up to those in the past. And I'm not saying that because I think the heavyweights in the 50-90s are invincible, I say that because you can see it in the matches, the heavyweight fights today are D-level caliber matches.

 

Many boxers are spoiled today. Hell, the best do not always get a shot at the title. ABC's are killing boxing, not to mention PPV costs!