Sick of Hopkins' fans ignorance.

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  1. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    A teleconference was set up in my office in New York for July 30th, 2002, and on the call was myself, Don King who was in the room, Frank ****** and Bernard Hopkins' lawyer, Arnold Joseph. Along with Arnold was a woman named Linda Carter, who was there on behalf of Bernard. We asked Arnold if Bernard wanted to fight Joe Calzaghe and we asked him how much money would he want if he did. The response we got was $3million and the fight would have to take place in the United States. After a little scratching of the head, we said 'Okay, done.' Frank ****** agreed on the spot, Don King agreed and we agreed so as far as we were concerned all parties were singing off the one hymm sheet. Arnold excused himself with Linda and I can only assume it was to call Bernard. Either that day or the next day, they came with a new demand: $6million, double the sum that had been agreed, the deal blew up.....he had then and still has no desire to fight Joe Calzaghe, that much is pretty clear." Jay Larkin - Then Programe Manager of Showtime.


     
  2. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Larkin basically goes on to add that Hopkins was a cherry picker and it was always a struggle getting him to fight people. Hopkins only really fought people when he moved to light heavy and was in his prome and had the win/win situation of age as an excuse for losing. Don't bother saying Tito is a better win than Lacy when Tito was destroyed by Wright after Hopkins and was never a middle.
     
  3. Boom_Boom

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    Hopkins was worth a lot of money at the time. He turned down a rematch with RJJ that would of easily gave him atleast $6million.
     
  4. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well look, Vanderpool was beaten by the "bum" Lacy and Echols was beaten by Mudine as well. Two "bums" when the division was "rubbish".

    It's funny though how the division was apparently great in the Benn, Eubank and co. era, then rubbish for 10 years while Calzaghe dominated and now "great" again. Is it possible that maybe Calzaghe is so great he made that division look bad. :huh
     
  5. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well why exept $3 million first time then? Even Showtime said that that was a really good pay day for Hopkins? and maybe Hopkins turned that down because he would have been utterly destroyed by a light heavy weight/prime Jones? I think Jones would have beaten him even more convincingly than he did the first time as Jones was greener than Hopkins was the first time they fought.

    I love how Hopkins fans always have an excuse. No dought they will go back to saying Calzaghe ducked Hopkins in a week. Even though this is proof of a Hopkins duck really, it certainly proves that Calzaghe didn't duck Hopkins.
     
  6. Boom_Boom

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    Hopkins never accepted the $3mill deal in the first place his team did... big difference. Just like Floyd never accepted to fight Pac with a 7 day cutoff but Al Haymon did.
     
  7. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well why didn'y he? Mayweather has been ducking Pacquiao for starters but at least he had an excuse with the whole steroid allegations. What can Hopkins say? Nothing. :patsch

    Calzaghe would have beaten Hopkins more convincingly back then imo.
     
  8. shanahan14

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    Sadly, this statement will never get through to anyone wil an IQ below 82.
     
  9. Boom_Boom

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    Hopkins was only looking for the RJJ fight and wanted about $10mill for it. He was certain that if both of them kept winning and the demand continues to rise then the fight would defintely been made.
     
  10. TG1

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    LOL Thanks for the mention there, champ!:lol:

    In 2002 Hopkins was two years into chasing down Oscar De La Hoya and was calling out various junior middles for paydays, that he had yet to receive. He'd beaten Trinidad and was near the top of the pound for pound list. Where was Calzaghe?

    If Hopkins decided that going upto 168 was worth more money then that's up to him. It's worth remembering he was 160 for a further 3 years after this. He was known for being a nightmate to negotiate with and Calzaghe didn't make a real name for himself until 2006. I do give Calzaghe credit for winning against Hopkins but did he beat the best version of him? Did he ****!

    it's just circumstances, money and quite frankly LIFE mate!
     
  11. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well if Calzaghe was such a bum who would have been destroyed by a prime Hopkins like you lot say why not take the fight then? It's a good pay day and would have been good to move to 168 first instead of taking the leap to 175 in one go? :huh

    No excuse again.
     
  12. iceferg

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    In July 2002 Hopkins had already beaten Trinidad. He only fought once in 2002. Now your basically admitting that Hopkins ducked a fight with Calzaghe because he wanted a bigger and easier pay day against De La Hoya. So why do Hopkins fans constantly say Calzaghe "cherry picked" when he actually did fight the best guys he could most of the time.

    Earlier today you blamed Calzaghe for stalling the fight "like a vulcher" until Hopkins was shot. Now you have had to go back on your word because a few posters on here have given you the cold hard facts to digest.

    I'll take my hat off to you both for coming on here though. The other, more racist B-Hop fans haven't been able to face it.

    46-0.

    :cool::smoke:rasta
     
  13. antonio8904

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    Calzaghe owns Hopkins!

    End of thread...
     
  14. The Abortion

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    Calzaghe owns Hopkins any time in their careers.
     
  15. TG1

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    Oh yeah awesome.

    I admit FULLY that Hopkins went after 154lbers because there was nothing in his weight class. He got his first million dollar "UPWARDS" payday against Tito and was chasing Oscar, Mosley and even Vargas becase they were YOUNG superstars.

    However, unless you're foolish enough to slate Hopkins competition, he's done enough in his career to make that a complete moot point. I don't even need to go through the opposition do I? You want to do a side by side on Calzaghe and Hopkins opposition?

    Finally your hot comeback used Jay Larkin as the solid source? He was annoyed that Hopkins upped the ante financially? Who did Larkin work for? What network did Calzaghe fight on in the States? What network did Hopkins fight on? And you're surprised that Larkin was pissed at Hopkins?

    Think harder!