Sick of Hopkins' fans ignorance.

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  1. GTSK

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    Bobby Pacquiao fans are worse. Did you hear how they claim Bobby taught Manny how to fight? :patsch oh my goodness, they don't know Manny was would be the GOAT even if he didn't have a coach.
     
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  2. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    TG1 - Hopkins used to be promoted by Don King and fight on Showtime when this statement was released by Jay Larkin. :lol:

    Go on then, let's hear Hopkins' resume at middle vs. Calzaghe's at super middle then. Take into account that Hopkins lost to a few opponents + Calzaghe beat him at the weight division where he fought most of his best competition.

    Anyway here's a list:

    Eubank >Mercando (Or however you spell that gatekeeper Hopkins drew with and beat in the rematch for the title's name.)

    Shieka>Johnson (before you talk any rubbish, what happend when they fought?)

    Veit>Joppy

    Reid-Pascal (about the same imo, Calzaghe won with a broken hand)

    Lacy-Trinidad (I'd say Lacy was better but you'll argue)

    Bika>Eastman

    Kessler>Taylor (Taylor beat Hopkins anyway)

    Then you have the added wins for Hopkins over Wright/Pavlik at light heavy but that's made moot since Calzaghe beat him at that weight. It's well known that Wright and Taylor ducked Calzaghe as well. Can't wait for your next reply.
     
    iceferg, Jul 21, 2011
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  3. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Sorry for including Pascal at middle by the way. It was just hard to find a list of Hopkins opponents to compete at that weight. I suppose you could have ODLH.
    So Byron Mitchell > ODLH (Mitchell was able to legitimately win the title at this weight unlike De La Hoya who has a bigger name.)
     
    iceferg, Jul 21, 2011
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  4. horst

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    Yet another futile, failed attempt to stop history recognizing Bernard Hopkins as a superior, greater fighter than Calzaghe, with better ability and a better career.

    But, you just can't fight history, no matter how hard you twist and manipulate and falsify the realities.

    Hopkins will go down in history as the Marvin Hagler of his era, one of the greatest and most special fighters of the times. And Calzaghe will go down in history as the Khaosai Galaxy of the same era, a very good but comparatively marginal figure from the same era who did not possess a comparable resume or accomplishments or significance to the sport.

    If you disagree with me, wait and see. I am and will continue to be and always will be right on this. :smoke
     
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  5. bailey

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    Fantastic thread, which will hurt the Hopkins fans in denial.
    Calzaghe has a better resume than Hopkins. Hopkins doesnt have any wins as good as Eubank or undefeated Kessler. Calzaghe has both and a win over Hopkins.
    Hopkins ducked Calzaghe for years and when they did fight Calzaghe beat Hopkins sandwiched between Hopkins best wins of Tarver, Wright and Pavlik.

    What the fans like to forget is that 8 times Hopkins hasnt been able to beat the fighter in front of him and for such a legend, how many times has Hopkins needed time out or faked injury?
     
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  6. Auracle21

    Auracle21 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    ehh i dont believe you. either way things arent that cut and dry
     
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  7. horst

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    :lol::lol::lol::happy:happy:happy Best joke of the week!
     
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  8. Talivar

    Talivar Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Im not getting into the who was better debate but it is pretty annoying when ppl call one fighter for ducking another when the only evidence available shows it was the reverse, even if it was just one time with external factors.
     
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  9. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Just a matter of time before Popkins came with his ''you just have an agenda (even though my name is Popkins'' or ''wait and see what history thinks.'' lines. Well guess what Popkins? History is written by the victors and you know who was a victor 46 times in a row don't you?
     
    iceferg, Jul 21, 2011
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  10. Kingkazim

    Kingkazim Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Theres a reason why Calzaghe fans are the most defensive fans in boxing history. Being a Welshman is a disadvantage in the boxing world, if your not well known in America then your not well known in boxing history

    I understand the pain of Zaghe fans, through numerous debates i have learnt there is not much between Hopkins and Calzaghe. The only difference here is that Hopkins will have the recognition of being the longest reigning MW of all time and being the oldest man to win a world title, versus Calzaghes unbeaten streak

    Truth be told, Hopkins's accomplishments simply "sound" better and his certain performances have been greater than Calzaghes (Trinidad,Pavlik,Tarver) And thats what people will remember. Whereas Calzaghes great performance (Which everyone will remember) was against Lacy, a man that has fallen off extremely hard. Fights such as Veit,Joppy,Mercado,Echols,Manfredo are irrelevant, they hardly prove much and they only open up more arguments.
     
    Kingkazim, Jul 21, 2011
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  11. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Well please tell us the better wins
     
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  12. horst

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    I don't need to argue, history is already proving me right and will continue to do so. Hopkins is currently and will forever be rated the superior fighter. And you know this. And you hate it. Hence the never-ending stream of threads about it. It burns, don't it? :smoke
     
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  13. Arcane

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    In time people will probably look back at Ricky Hatton more fondly then Joe Calzaghe and to think Calzaghe get's mentioned in the same sentence as Hopkins in this day and age :lol::patsch
     
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  14. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Popkins/Arcane - Hopkins will always be seen as the supirior fighter by who? A few losers on ESB like you two? I know who I rate higher. Anyway, why don't you argue the points discussed in this thread with some facts instead of the same old rubbish you always recycle.

    P.S Popkins you make as many threads about it as anyone and ''it burns'' :lol: no!!
     
    iceferg, Jul 21, 2011
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  15. TG1

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    Hopkins fought for Showtime in 2002? Did he now! We'll start from 2001, pal! Keith Holmes (HBO), Trinidad (HBO), Carl Daniels (HBO), Maurice Hakkar (HBO). That's two years from 2001 - 2003 so WTF are you talking about lol? Showtime wanted to carry the fight but Hopkins was not tied to them - CALZAGHE WAS!

    I cannot and will not do a comparison of resumes between Bernard Hopkins and Joe Calzaghe. You have Lacy "better" than Trinidad and lost all credibility. There are Puerto Ricans who would literally kill you for saying that.

    Seriously you don't even believe that Calzaghe has a better resume and if you do then you are horrendously biased. Calzaghe's is considered by fans and media, to lack quality opposition (not all his fault). Hopkins has literally the most solid resume in boxing today (edit) - Pacman has a case there.

    THERE IS NO ARGUMENT!:lol:
     
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