Sick of Hopkins' fans ignorance.

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by iceferg, Jul 21, 2011.


  1. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The Akbar One - Be honest now that was not a legitamet KD in round one. Hopkins catches Calzaghe with a straight right very early in the fight that stuns him a little and then follows it through with a shoulder barge. Do you really think Calzaghe would have turned down $3 million to challenge Jones at that time?
     
  2. FORMIDABLE

    FORMIDABLE Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    few more articles relating to the issue in this thread-


    Jay Larkin, head of boxing for the American Showtime television, said: "With Bernard you never know. I think he comes to us from outer space sometimes. But a fight against Hopkins is a natural for Wales and we would like it to take place here."

    Larkin confirmed that Hopkins last year agreed to a purse of £1.9million to go in against Calzaghe, only to demand double the money the very next day.

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    "We have to get Joe to America and the right fight is Bernard Hopkins" said Showtime boxing chief Jay Larkin.

    "Hopkins turned down a lot of money from us to fight Calzaghe last year, but after what Joe did to Mitchell we can up the ante and offer more."

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/3030004.stm

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    Hopkins stated: "Right now I'm negotiating along with Don King and Jay Larkin of Showtime. Who we spoke to and we're going to talk to him about two fights, maybe my mandatory too, which makes it a three-fight deal.

    "It would be the mandatory, Harry Simon and Joe Calzaghe. While Calzaghe fights for that other super-middleweight title, I'll wait for that and knock off Simon after the mandatory and fight the WBO title."

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    According to both King and Hopkins, the two worked out an agreement for Hopkins' next fight, no small accomplishment considering Hopkins spurned a $10.5 million three-fight Showtime offer made earlier this year that would have sent him into the ring to fight Morrade Hakkar, Joe Calzaghe and Harry Simon.

    "He's desperate for a fight and he needs to fight me because he messed up his deal with Showtime,"; Jones Jr. said in the dressing room prior to Saturday's main event.

    http://www.puertorico-herald.org/issues/2002/vol6n35/PRSportsBeat0635-en.html

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    The original plan cooked up by Team Calzaghe was for Joe and Bernard to meet next March for a £10million showdown, according to the Sunday Mirror, but the never-at-a-loss-for-words Hopkins put a kibosh on those plans, not temporarily, but once and for all.

    "Calzaghe is a good fighter but right now it would be a backward step for me," Hopkins said. "It is not a big enough fight right now and I need a big fight to get motivated. A fight against Maskaev would be exactly the type of fight I need"

    http://www.thesweetscience.com/news/articles/4526-hopkinscalzaghe-not-so-fast
     
  3. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Joe Calzaghe fought only bums and old men.
     
  4. horst

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    I scored the fight for Hopkins, I'm not going to start pretending I didn't because it might annoy anyone, sorry. :good
     
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  6. horst

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    Then my mission is half accomplished then. :D
     
  7. HoldMyBeer

    HoldMyBeer Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    wright destroyed tito proving what we all know now - that tito was ineffective against technically sound fighters.

    trying to compare lacy to tito in defence of joe (haven't read all the posts but that's the impression i get) is a serious non-contest.
     
  8. horst

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    I think Kostya Tszyu is a great fighter. Being critical of someones' resume does not mean you "hate" them or anything of the sort (well, on this forum that's what people think, but in the real world it very obviously isn't true). His resume is diabolical for an HOF fighter, it just is. But I rate his abilities very highly, and I like watching him fight.
     
  9. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    HoldMyBeer - I'm only saying that as a middle Tito was no longer an elite or pound for pound talent. Jeff Lacy wasn't beaten for years after Calzaghe and never as convincingly. He had injury problems and no motivation by then but Hopkins fans don't take that into account. Trinidad lost in his very next fight just as convincingly and don't forget DLH beat him but was robbed before all of this. It's basically like comparing Pacquiao and Abraham, of course Pac's in a different league but he'd probably not be anywhere near as effective at middle. I'm comparing Tito's middle weight resume with Lacy's super middle weight resume. Say what you like but a prime Lacy is more proven at the weight + their is the hand wrapping issue which takes points away from Tito.

    Popkins - I remember reading that you thought Hopkins won by a point. Are you telling me that you didn't score that KD? The one that came from a Hopkins Shoulder barge as they were coming together in a clinch?
     
  10. Auracle21

    Auracle21 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Trinidad didnt lose in his next fight. he lost to winky wright AFTER the mayorga fight. Both of these fights were AFTER the Hacine Cherifi fight. get your facts straight.
     
  11. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    This post shows how bias Popkins is when you look at the facts

    1. Calzaghe landed more than 100 punches than Hopkins throughout the fight.
    2. Contrary to what people want to believe, Calzaghe also made Hopkins miss more
    3. All round punch percentages, Calzaghe finished ahead of Hopkins
    4. Calzaghe outlanded Hopkins in every round
    5. A Byrd who scored for Hopkins it appears has a history for bad scorecards. Type in Adalaide Byrd in Google and see what comes up for yourself, still here are some little things for you to look at
    a. A Byrd was the only judge out of the 3 scoring judges that had Mack ahead against Cloud
    b. The K Pavlik - A Lopez fight was scored 98-92, 99-91 by the other 2 judges, A Byrd scored it 95-95
    c. A Byrd was one of the judges that had Morales a 4 point loser against Maidana
    d. In the S Aydin vs S Ouali fight, the other 2 judges scored clearly for Aydin. Byrd scored for Ouali
    e. The J Almaraz/C Tyler fight was scored a Maj-Dec all because of one judge, guess which? A Byrd
    f. The A DeMarco/J Reyes fight was a SD. Guess who the odd judge out was? A Byrd.
    g. The R Torres - M Arnaoutis fight was a close fight, a point either way to 2 judges but a wide result scored by Byrd
    h. In the A Pryor Jr/D Stanislavjevic SD, guess who the odd judge out was? You guessed it... A Byrd
    i. The W Ferguson/J Lopez SD, guess who the odd judge out was? You guessed it... A Byrd

    I think thats enough for you to get the picture with Byrd. Remember the other 2 judges scored clearly for Calzaghe

    6. Calzaghe beat Hopkins in America, at a new weight with 3 American judges and Cortez as ref.
    7. Calzaghe scored the single highest score card against Hopkins ever 116-111.
    8. The 2 judges that scored for Calzaghe agreed on 9 of the rounds
    9. Calzaghe landed more on Hopkins than anyone ever.




    Now I know there will be a flood of people coming on here noting Hopkins scoring a flash KD in the first round, and I agree that Hopkins did win a few rounds even when he didnt land as often, but people are mad if they think Calzaghe won on workrate, Calzaghe won because he was able to land his left more often than Hopkins could land his right.
    Calzaghe finished the stronger and took away the moments Hopkins likes down the stretch.
    Other thoughts, If Hopkins thought he was winning, do you think he would have been looking for time out and would bother trying to get points deducted off of Calzaghe, of course he wouldnt, Hopkins knew he was losing.
     
  12. horst

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    :yikes Jesus Christ... These fanboys are so delusional they are now able to bend reality with the power of their puny brains!
     
  13. horst

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    Hopkins won the fight by 4 points. It wasn't particularly close.

    Hopkins landed the cleaner, more effective punches in more rounds, scored a KD (r1), landed the best combination of the fight (r7 I think), and controlled the fight in all rounds except the ones where he took a break because he couldn't match the younger, fresher man's workrate/stamina.

    Serious boxing fans who know how to score a fight and who aren't tainted by bias know this fine well.
     
  14. FutureChampGG

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    I'll ask again:

    Ever think that you might struggle to judge Hopkins' fights impartially considering you like him so much?

    No bias at all from your side when watching a hopkins fight?
     
  15. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Here is Popkins answer to the facts :lol::lol::lol: