Sick of Hopkins' fans ignorance.

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  1. VIP

    VIP Boxing Addict Full Member

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    How Hopkins even avoided anyone...he eventually fought everyone when he was even older than everyone else. And he got paid better too rather than taking the 1st offer.
     
  2. gambleer

    gambleer Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I'm not saying that Calzaghe is better than Hopkins or has a better resume than him, but Calzaghe's style is all wrong for Hopkins, and he wasn't prime either when he fought Borenard.
    Hopkins had Cortez to allow him to hit and hold and clinch, and also to fake low blows, and still couldn't get the decision with three American judges in American soil.
    I understand how some people scored the fight for Hopkins, but the decision could easily have gone to Calzaghe as well, so give the man his props instead of claiming robbery.
     
  3. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    So true. Haters ***** about him not fighting Calzaghe when it was first offered or fighting Jones for a 40/60 split. But he did fight Calzaghe when Joe was a bigger name and made more money, he fought Jones for his demanded 50/50 but also stayed undefeated and got a big money fight with Oscar. Throw in wins with Wright, Tarver, Tito, Pascal and Pavlik when all were highly regarded and you have a fighter who was not only a smart business man but looked for legacy as well as financial reward.

    Also he's fighting Dawson next. Hopkins is champion, beat the man who beat Dawson and could just take easy fights until he retires when his body eventually gives out. But no what Hopkins does is face Dawson next who pretty much everybody has accused Hopkins of ducking because of his style.

    After Calzaghe got his best win against Hopkins what did he do to end his career? Did he go out on a high and face an opponent that would add to his legacy or the toughest opponent available? No he fought shot to **** Jones Jr, even Calzaghe himself admitted Jones was shot and he was just looking for an easy fight. Calzaghe rarely ever challenged himself while Hopkins at 46 is taking on an opponent who he has been accused of ducking and who has a good chance of beating him.

    All this Hopkins cherry picking and ducking crap is just envy and jealousy from fans off fighters he beat or made look bad.
     
  4. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That's funny you should say that Popkins because here's a quote from your top 50 wins from 00-09:
    So which one was it then Popkins? Because it looks like your just another Hopkins fan who makes it up as he goes along as TG1 was proved to be in the first post of this thread. Remember if you go back and edit that ESB will have it logged. Now the slow motion showed clearly that there was a shoulder barge that seemed to send Calzaghe over. I wouldn't even blame Cortez because it was a veteran's trick by Hopkins and it was done very quickly but there is a very good argument to say that KD should not have counted. I look forward to reading you trying to justify this. :lol:
     
  5. MichiganWarrior

    MichiganWarrior Still Slick! Still Black! Full Member

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    :deal
     
  6. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Difficult to truly assess Jones as Jones is a known cheat
    Look Brighton bummer. Hopkins doesnt have any wins as good as Eubank and undefeated Kessler on his resume, Calzaghe has both and a win over Hopkins. Thats not bias. Work it out for yourself for a change will you :patsch
     
  7. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The fact is this thread was made because Hopkins fans always say Calzaghe stalled the fight until Hopkins was shot. The truth is Hopkins stalled it for what ever reason (partly that he wanted big pay days) and Calzaghe was not to blame. If Calzaghe was just another Euro bum who Hopkins had a 100% chance of beating then Hopkins could have taken that fight because it wouldn't have put the Oscar fight in jepordy.

    Can you please prove that Hopkins made more than $3 million US for fighting Calzaghe. He might have but I dought it was much more.

    Out of those 5 wins, 4 of them were just before or not long after the Calzaghe fight. They are without dought 4 of Hopkins top 10 wins and they all came around the time he fought Calzaghe but Hopkins fans still say Calzaghe waited until Hopkins was shot before he fought him. :lol:
     
  8. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Remember this bummer. Go back to when Calzaghe fought Jones and it was considered a better match up than Hopkins/Pavlik at the time. People say Jones is shot now after Calzaghe schooled him, but more predicted Jones to beat Calzaghe, just Calzaghe proved once again why he was top dog and beat the #6 LHW. Hopkins wouldnt go near Jones until he was coming off a first round KO, got put down, pretended it was on the back of his head and was lucky not to have a KO against him.
    As for Dawson, remember how Hopkins has ducked Dawson now for 5 odd years and only now whilst backed into a corner is now facing him. Lets not also forget that Hopkins team were also trying to find a way out of the fight, until the last minute
     
  9. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    There's no point trying to justify it with them Baily. Hopkins fans will lie and not accept facts if they are losing an argument. I've just exposed Popkins, you can bet he'll either not come back on this thread or just try to change the subject.

    Hopkins fans are like sheep, I can only assume Popkins was mistaken as a sheep when he was a child by a drunken, working class Welshman and now has a deep hatered for all things Welsh. :patsch

    Not all Welshmen are like that Popkins + Calzaghe is half Italian and was born in England. :good

    Let's face it, Calzaghe is a top 25 ATG and Hopkins will be lucky if he makes the top 100. That's just how history will remember things.
     
  10. Joe.Boxer

    Joe.Boxer Chinchecker Full Member

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    You have it arse backwards. It's clearly the Hopkins fans who can't accept his loss to Sugar Joe who have the problem. Calzaghe fans can still admire Hopkins' fantastic achievements since the Calzaghe fight, while there are plenty of bitter ****wits who try to rewrite history regarding Hopkins vs Calzaghe every few months.
     
  11. HEADBANGER

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    popkins humiliated and brutally exposed by iceferg :deal
     
  12. realsoulja

    realsoulja Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    These are the points you made

    1. Roy Jones Jr was not shot when Calzaghe faced him simply because more fans picked RJJ to beat Calzaghe?

    - This is bull****: http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=5021

    And here is the video I made before the fight and read my comments. The people who picked RJJ only did because people think/thought Calzaghe is that **** he will be beaten by a 39 year old Roy Jones Jr who had fallen from P4P#1 6/7 years back

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fi6sW4P5wJI[/ame]

    There is no need for these polls and videos. Anyone who had seen Roy Jones Jr from the Tarver fights and the RJJ from the Felix Trinidad fight will know RJJ was past his best/shot.


    The other points you made:-

    2. Hopkins ducked RJJ, but fought him twice

    3. RJJ was a better opponent for Calzaghe than Hopkins rematch and Pavlik.

    4. Hopkins was lucky not to lose against RJJ

    5. RJJ was justified #6 LHW

    6. Hopkins ducked Dawson, but Calzaghe didnt :lol:

    7. Hopkins is forced to fight Dawson now because he is backed into the corner.

    8. Hopkins was trying to find a way out of the fight vs Dawson even though he called him out.

    9. Hopkins only fought RJJ because RJJ got KO1 by Green

    10. Felix Sturm can beat Prime Hopkins at 160

    We can go into details if you wish.:D
     
  13. realsoulja

    realsoulja Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScRv9xzLeW8[/ame]

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACgTJhEdj5M[/ame]
     
  14. TG1

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  15. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Realsoulja - Yeah, I said Hopkins is pretty feather fisted at elite level. I can't see the videos you've uploaded because I'm on my phone since I just lent my friend my lap top.

    I'm sure it's one of those misleading videos that makes Calzaghe's stoppages look like their not legit? Why don't you watch the Lacy fight, that should have been stopped several times but wasn't. Your probably just one of those Americans who only saw his last few fights, like Manfredo (wasn't a bad stoppage anyway but could have went on). I admit Calzaghe wasn't the hardest hitter but he hit at least as hard as Hopkins in his prime imo.

    Ask yourself, why does Cleverly only have 10-11 stoppages in his first 21 fights (compared to about 20 out of 21 for Calzaghe) if Welsh/UK prospects always get easy stoppages?

    Maybe most those stoppages were legit? Why don't you watch the first round of Calzaghe-Eubank 1 if you want to see how much power he had.