Sick of this "tune-up" crap, Marquez v Mayweather is a SERIOUS fight!

Totally agree. Marquez is easily P4P top 3 in most peoples eyes, if thats an easy fight, then the sports gone mad. Me thinks its just the same haters.

 

Opinions like that are not very educated......Mayweather does'nt potshot and prance around the ring.....

.....Mayweather spends alot of his time with his back to the ropes, where Marquez who's as accurate as anyone Mayweather has ever faced, will have his chance to land his punches......

......potshoting occasionally off the ropes is not going to accumalate the points needed against a busy accurate fighter like Marquez.

I am very confident when I say that if Mayweather is going to beat JMM legitly without controversy, he's going to have to earn it, and a low workrate potshot type of gameplan against JMM is not going to do the trick.

 

I just did a detailed breakdown why your perceived advantages of JMM will not work against a master counterpuncher like Floyd who has tremendous reach, speed and size advantages over JMM...

Maybe you can present a detailed breakdown of your counter arguments instead of posting some excuse that you won't "waist" your time with someone rational as me...
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All depends on Marquez' speed, you know those one punches will be thrown with Marquez' eyes open and usually counter punches are selected the same second if not before a punch is thrown, usually by predicting what punch it may be based on the fighter's position.

I also doubt that Mayweather will look to use such tactic, I'm expecting him to be more aggressive in this fight than defensive UNLESS he's caught and hurt early like it happened in the DLH fight where he will be forced to adapt and go defensive.

I'm in no way suggesting JMM wins this, just making it clear that it will be far more competitive than people think. JMM is not a scrub to fall early and stay on the mat, this is a guy who went 24 rounds with the p4p #1, got back from THREE knockdowns in round one to go all the way to 12...etc, it's not a guy that will lay down easily for no one.

The comments on this fight bring flashbacks of comments before Pac/DLH. People said Pac was rocked by JMM at 130 and so on so they gave him ZERO chance against DLH also claiming he's not defensively good enough to avoid punches from DLH. Lessons like these should wake people up regarding SIZE when it comes to discussing smaller yet A class fighters. What separates C class fighters from A is that they can fight through size based on ability.

 

I think people call it a tune-up in a sense that Mayweather is using it as an 'easier' fight to come back on and set up for a megafight with Manny Pacquiao. Everything lends to it being called a tune-up fight, except for the big fact that the man he is fighting is the p4p no.2 and very good. The only question mark is in the fact that JMM hasn't fought above 135, and got hit a whole lot more than usual in both his fights at 135.

Its a stepping stone to Pacquiao, but obviously the word tuneup implies a sub-par level of opposition, which isn't the case.

 

Good points... It all depends on JMM as he's the one that has something to prove... Odds is heavily stacked against him...

PBF is the overwhelming favorite (ex. you, me, divac, etc. pick PBF to win), the question now is how bad or how good JMM loses this fight... Tho there's still a few (maybe 8 to 10 persons) here who pick JMM to win...

I agree that SIZE disadvantage can be compensated by the abilities and skills of a A class fighter but the problem is when he's facing another A class fighter which is BIGGER than him... The abilities and skills just cancels out and the general rule of "bigger man beats smaller man" applies...
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agree on most points here. i also pick PBF to win. its not just the size advantage here. skills wise, both have pros and cons to the point that it can arguably even things out.

but size and age advantage will be with PBF since JMM will be 36 assuming the fight pushes through on sept.

 

I thought Diaz' size bothered the hell out of JMM, but he just purely outskilled him down the stretch. PBF is both bigger and better than Diaz.

 

PBF is both bigger and better than JMM too...

 

IMO Floyd can't be driven to the ropes by the small JMM... JMM coming forward trying to push Floyd back can only speed up his own downfall... JMM is not used of being the aggressive offensive guy and Floyd will love to counterpunch an advancing JMM...

A low workrate potshot type of gameplan can still earn Floyd a victory since JMM will have big difficulties scoring his own points... Floyd has all the advantages and JMM will have a mountain to climb to overcome those advantages...
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Odds were stacked against Pacquiao against DLH and Hopkins against Pavlik just to name two recent fights, odds aren't always right as you already know.

DLH was an A class fighter going against Pacquiao too yet you saw what happened. All I'm trying to say here, and I repeat this, is JMM can't be totally counted out and claimed to have 0.01% chance. This is a guy who will exploit whatever weakness his fighter may have and Mayweather is coming off 2 years of inactivity and prone to injuries. JMM knows it's DO or DIE in this case and knows that a rematch with Pac is off the table possibly for good if he doesn't win it. To add more fuel to the fire, Marquez knows that more money is yet to come after this one and also knows that if he beats Mayweather he makes Pacquiao's win over DLH look poor in comparison which obviously puts Pacquiao in a position to immediately take a third fight. With all these facts being clearly there it doesn't take brains to know that we're going to see JMM prepare 110% and go in with the mentality that he has A LOT to prove and when a fighter in that caliber going in with that kind of mentality you know that his opponent can't afford to look bad or make any mistake without being countered immediately.

 

Go watch the Marquez-MAB fight......MAB's gameplan was to fight from the backfoot in counterpunch mode, knowing that if both were in this counterpunch mode, the exchanges would be minimized and the rounds would go to him due to his bigger name appeal.......

What JMM did vs MAB in that mode was start the exchanges.....when MAB countered, Marquez recountered and finished the exchanges.....

....I expect much of the same with Mayweather......
.....Marquez to probe, Mayweather to counter, and Marquez being by history the better workrate fighter, finishing the exchange by recountering.

You're underestimating JMM"s ability to recounter the counterpuncher.
An exchange does'nt end because a fighter counters an aggresive move......


I'd love to see Mayweather recounter Marquez after he's been recountered......I think those types of exchanges will benefit JMM as he's used to fighting the full 3 minutes of a round.

 

I can very well remember that JMM-MAB fight... It's the fight where I won an avatar bet on another boxing forum site...

I dunno if you really consider MAB a master counterpuncher... He's more of a puncher-boxer... You can't use that fight as gauge since MAB is not of the same style as Floyd and he's not that much bigger than JMM... MAB also not that fast as Floyd...

Here's how I see this fight will turn out:

fast one punch (potshot).... then run.... fast one punch (potshot).... then run.... fast one punch (potshot).... then run....

With Floyd's 5 inches reach advantage and the fastest feet in boxing, JMM will have difficulties catching him with a counterpunch after Floyd potshots...
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You must think that it will be Felix Trinidad or Kelley Pavlik in there against Mayweather Jr......


Believe me, JMM has alot more skill and know how than your average fighter. If there is a way for a smaller fighter to beat Mayweather, JMM will find it.

I guarantee you one thing, Potshotting will not win Mayweather the fight......and if Mayweather even attempts to implement that plan with any sucess, he's going to get booed out of the arena......

I would'nt be suprised to see the fans start throwing stuff in the ring!

I truly believe what I'm saying here. Mayweather should be favored to win, but he's going to have to let his hands go to do it. He wont win the fight by a potshotting gameplan.

Mark these words......JMM combinations will flow....it will only be a matter of if he's strong enough as a Welterweight for those connects to have an effect on Floyd!