Sign off 2011 bunce style

That's right Jeffers. Sometimes even a broken clock is right!

 

I agree with Longcount on illegal streaming in general, but as Jonsey said, a dedicated boxing channel is bad for the support, and paying for it and allowing it to survive is arguably more damaging for the sport than illegally streaming it and allowing it to die.

 

Shirley an illegal stream of a pay channel will decrease the money in a fighter's pocket? That is simple....arguments about bad challengers etc are invalidated by the illegality of the act. It's called: Law.

Adios.

 

to quote a lady in belfast - "****in' stealin' is ****in' stealin'"

Your right steve, but what are fans supposed to do about fights no UK TV is picking up?

 

How do you see fights from the US Steve??

 

Absolute bull Bunce, it's why Sky Sports profits are going up and susbcribers are going up. It's why Sky & Virgin and other networks fund the streamers content with adverts, you people live in a ivory tower of naivety. The same people you think are complaining, are same ones funding it.

You think 33 people watching your show online, or the 112 people who watch the Friday cards are losing money ? Get a grip, you people are clueless the Sport is DEAD, British Boxing is dead. Sky are what fund it, without them the Sport is even more of a minority and this is what the channel does.

I don't proclaim to be robin hood of boxing, i honestly don't give a ****, i enjoy boxing i pay for my boxing and i have a laugh doing it online.

Whether im shutdown or not around makes no different. 30 other people doing same thing, it won't ever stop.

Anyway this my last post on this forum, it's one thing debating or people abusing me all good fun. But fact is LC is a grass, and reported my domain, for me grasses are pathetic turds. I have no clue who the guy is neither do i care, but it seems i rattle some so much they actually take time to stalk me and search my WHOIS then report it.

So enjoy posting on a forum with a grass.:good

P.S Ask the Boxers, Boxing writers & other people in Boxing how they watch cards from stateside or from uk when not on TV in their own country.

 

It is absolutely ****ing plain to see the recession is what's hurting things. I dont see how kebab shops can be to blame for the demise of British Boxing. Kebab shops play football as well but Sky don't all of a sudden go bump do they?

JJB are shutting stores nationwide, so are Thomas Cook and Habitat. Jane Norman went bust too whilst I am here.

The problem is the wider demographic of the global economy not the sport of boxing. The problem is that certain promoters are heavy on the pen when asking for fee's to air fights and therefore alienate themselves and their fighters from the mass audience. IMHO Frank never got over the loss of Hatton and Calzaghe. He lives a champagne life on a shandy budget. His ideas of grandeur like boxing channels need delaying until another time. He needs grounding asap.

 

Heard he got a split decision against a sherry trifle.

adios

 

I saw this as a tribute thread mate.

 

And some laws are bad and deserve breaking.

I am all for competitive trade. However when that means the sport is broken up and to watch all major domestic and international fights you have to subscrive to Sky, Premier, Primetime and Boxnation then that is not in the fans interest.
There is no boxing without boxing fans.

No other sport is treat in this manner. Subscribing to Boxnation through their shabby pay wizard system for one decent nights worth of boxing (dec 2nd) and a quarter decent night (Selby Simpson) and no guarantee of another is one massive mistake.

Without signs of major improvements I would not recommend Boxnation to noone.

Take a look at their schedule between now and March:

http://www.boxnation.tv/boxing-matches/

We have Jan 13th Williams Vs Conquest: Conquest pulled out.

Jan 20th Derry Matthews fight world 65th best lightweight Marsili for the 'IBO' World Title

Feb 18th - A predictable victory for Vitali

Feb 25th Clev Vs TBA


March 10th Burns Vs TBA

So by end of March I will have funded your pay packet approx £40 and in return since Dec 2nd I have to look forward to not one significant competitive fight.

Stuff Boxnation, refund please.

And the reason I am whinging at you is that you are the only employee of Boxnation I can vent fume off to, not sure how you get in touch with Boxnation, but I do not have the same means of contact.

 

But the existence of the pay channel is bad for boxing. No one except hardcore fans will pay for it, and it will take the sport even further away from the mainstream, exactly what boxing doesn't need. The sooner ******'s fighters can get back on Sky Sports the better for them, the better for the fans, and the better for the sport.

 

First Flint, now nutjob/Markus/gary barlow has spat his dummy out!

:happy

 

Even though Gary's run away crying I think it's worth correcting something he said.

Subscribers are not growing at the rate Sky was used to. This is something it has been spending a lot of money to try to change.

Second, Sky's profits increased because its costs dropped. After two decades all the infrastructure costs finally dropped to a point where it's just general maintenance. That was why the Murdochs were interested in taking complete ownership because it gave them access to £800m of yearly profits to sink into News Corp's other investments.

There's a difference between using streaming for fights that are unavailable in the UK and using streaming just because it's free. But when most pubs have Sky and will happily change the channel for you, I think it's a little weak to be streaming. Just my opinion though!

 

I'm not sure Gary's shop is quite the end of boxing as we know it. I've known about it and sites similar to it for years, it hasn't stopped me from buying PPVs when I wanted to. The people who watch streams are the people who wouldn't have bought it in the first place. If the option was taken away there wouldn't magically be millions of people offering up their cash for boxing, those people would just find other means or not bother at all.

Compared to certain other things that are wrong with boxing at the moment, illegal streaming is negligible.

 

Point A is ridiculous. So, should Sky invest a significant amount in mounting a fight for broadcast, and then just allow people to stream it for free? No way - that's just ******ed. That's why these laws are in place - to protect rights holders' investment.

You don't want to pay, ok, well you shouldn't watch it.

Your second point seems clueless. Let's go back in time to the early 90s. Sky had just formed and was trying to find content for its pay platform to encourage subscription. Boxing was HUGE back then and it, along with football, encouraged a lot of people to sign-up.

But the viewer base was tiny and, unlike football, where the content available was much larger, boxing became invisible to the majority of the public. From that point on, the sport has become less and less relevant because less and less people see it.

Even now it has 10m subscribers (so probably in the region of 20-25m possible viewers). Boxing gets less than a million viewers. This, from tens of millions watching Eubank and Benn on terrestrial. Why do you think that is?

Sky killed the sport as a mainstream interest and now we rely on them to apply life-support.