Silly But Honest Heavyweight "Weights"

Abe Simon too

 

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Exactly. I'm my brief amateur days i remember getting knocked all round the ring in sparring by a middleweight when I was a mere light heavy. If only I had focused myself on the leading heavyweight who trained there i would have been more successful. He kept using the fact that he was an international representative as an excuse for avoiding me.

 

Some people just are incapable of logic around here.

 

There were a lot of heavyweights in the 50s who traded on skill, but I do not think that there was a major improvement in the skill set.

I also think that big heavyweights could have enjoyed success against the skilled fighters of the 50s, based on stylistic considerations.

Look at the way that Primo Carnera was able to nullify the highly skilled Tommy Loughran.

So what was going on?

The talent pool seems to have declined in the immediate post war era, so that might have worked against quality bigger fighters emerging, since they are inherently rarer.

 

Where is the evidence that being big automatically made you a challenger in the 1930s?

The best Fighters of the 1930s had magnificent skills. Giants were regularly flattened by classic sized heavyweights.

. The jumbo sized ones that made it through to contender level were at least as good as many of the current contenders. Did you watch recent heavyweight fight Mariusz Wach vs jarrel miller? Today those guys are in the top ten and as high as #5 with some governing bodies.

Are you going to tell me that Carnera, buddy Baer, Abe Simon, Jack Doyle, Victorio Campolo and Jose Santa were not as good as Jarrel miller?

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I don't think the talent pool

Doyle looks useless in that clip. I've never seen Miller but I don't think Doyle would be anyway near top 10 these days. In fact I don't think he could win a golden gloves. But then i don't think that Doyle was top 10 back then was he? And he was 6'3" anyway, not a giant.

 

I think we should all march into Vegas gyms and wag our fingers at the training heavyweights and yell at the top of our lungs "You are all fat and misguided idiots!"

I am busy that weekend but please continue without me.

 

I'm curious: what were these fighters' amateur pedigrees? Which ones honed their skills under world class trainers? My impression of the 1930s is that a lot of the bigger men and bigger punchers shot up the rankings with very limited experience against mostly obscure opposition while being ushered along by unreknowned trainers. Am I mistaken? Many of them look awfully crude on film.

 

Not exactly linear but maybe with the exception of the Marciano era, I think there is pretty consistent movement toward taller, heavier heavyweights at the highest levels of the sport. The movement usually comes in spurts though, followed by long plateaus.

On average, top 1970s-90s heavyweights were significantly bigger than their predecessors, and the top heavies of this century are even bigger:

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/heavyweight-size-explosion-in-the-early-1970s.588396/

Also potentially interesting: https://www.boxingforum24.com/threa...weights-disappear-after-marcianos-era.588395/

 

Done and done. Fortunately, they were all far too out of shape to catch me.

 

All Hail Primo Carnera, King Of The Heavyweights!

Here here!

 

Big guys in the 1930’s

Carnera
Campolo
Santa
Simon
Godfrey
De Kuh
Dorval
Harris
Cobb
Impelletiere
Long Tom Hawkins
Owens
Johnny Erickson
Baer

I can keep going and going.
The list of strong fit SHWs in the 30’s is just endless.

Roy Clark
Sam Baker
Bill Mackenzie
Pat Redmond
Jim Thompson

All these guys are Deontay Wilders weight or heavier. I’m not even including guys shorter than 6”3 who were also SHWs.

I’m not including the 100+ SHWs with even more obscure records. You can really get lost tracking all the SHWs in he 30’s on boxrec. Many American and Internaitonal big men. It’s an endless road.


But hey, Primo was only successful because he was large
All these other guys were just ghosts.

Boxing needs a myth busters series.

 

That’s a slam dunk of myth busting. Previous cliches about 1930s superheavyweights won’t stand up to scrutiny without a tiny bit of research. Those guys all lost to smaller guys-and every last one of them could compete today.

 

Bro if these guys saw someone like Pinklon Thomas they would cry to the mother Mary Jesus and Jospeh for witnessing such a miraculous specimen.