Similarities between Andre Ward and Bernard Hopkins

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Ramón, Mar 7, 2010.


  1. ironchamp

    ironchamp Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I was thinking the same thing too....

    To be fair, he's got time on his side. And hopefully soon enough, he'll turn out to be a great fighter.
     
  2. VIP

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    There are definitely some similarities there. His chin is still a question mark though I believe. Other than that, I think he can go on to become a great fighter.
     
  3. SnapBackJab

    SnapBackJab Active Member Full Member

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    Very good comparison, and Ward still is a young pup. With a lot more to learn and add to his game.
     
  4. Ramón

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    He has taken some good flush shots from Kessler. His chin may not be great, but then it doesn't need to be if you do not plan to rely on it too much. It's good enough given all his other qualities.
     
  5. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    Steady on. Hopkins is a technically brilliant fighter, so, when you're learning from him, you're learning from a boxing textbook. It's not that meaningful to say "this guy fights like Bernard Hopkins", for the simple reason that Hopkins style is so versatile and technical that everybody resembles it in some way, but nobody does completely. You can't spell out how Ward and Hopkins are similar stylistically apart from the (superficial!) observation that they both fight crafty.

    We'll see how Ward develops. I'm not aware that he's been copying Hopkins specifically, but, even if he has, he's got a long way to go before he reaches the skillset of Hopkins.

    20-1 Hopkins was still learning and developing his style, lacked experience and was a TOTALLY different fighter to that which he became over the course of his reign at 160. Ward has had an extensive amateur background. Different situations.
     
  6. Ramón

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    Wrong.

    Hopkins is very idiosyncratic. Very few fighters resemble his fighting style to any extent. He is as far from textbook as they come.

    I have spelled out how Ward and Hopkins are similar stylistically.

    The resemblance between the two is not superficial. Ward is not monkeying around pretending to be Hopkins. He has learned the most important aspects of Hopkins' game and he has made them his own without compromising his own athleticism and technique.

    This in itself is significant because it shows the resemblance isn't merely coincidental. And this, in turn, proves Ward's versatility, intelligence and nerve. At the very highest level, these qualities are critical. They are proven to be more significant than heart and toughness alone, everything else equal.
     
  7. tito44

    tito44 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I agree.
     
  8. box101

    box101 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    i think he is very smart tactical fighters an the clinching is bhop like but foot work more like jones an much more fluid combinations than straight right bhop what makes andre so potentialy special is he is student of game an is able to implement tactics an adapt to his opponets
     
  9. Stezzie

    Stezzie Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think a defensive fight is the one who beats AA...and offensive fighter loses because he meets his power head on...
     
  10. Vysotsky

    Vysotsky Boxing Junkie banned

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    This.

    Choosing to work with BALCO's Victor Conte. What a wise young men him and Chambers are.
     
  11. Vysotsky

    Vysotsky Boxing Junkie banned

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    I do see the similarities though, especially with their most effective power punch.........

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  12. tito44

    tito44 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ward, did show in the Kessler fight, he has no problem at all, leading with his head. Over and over.
     
  13. redz215

    redz215 Active Member Full Member

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    They both are good at the lead right followed by the headbutt clinch technique except i andre doesn't do it as often as bernard does
     
  14. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    His overall style is unique, yes.

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    Have you ever seen Hopkins fight? Everything the guy does is technically near-perfect. Every punch in the book is executed accurately, with the right technique, following through correctly but not over-reaching. His hand-positioning is textbook. He blocks and rolls with shots perfectly. His balance is always on point (watch the Calzaghe fight) and he is always in prime position to attack, defend or counter at any moment. His range control is beautiful, and he times his attacks perfectly. He is a master ring general on the inside, positions himself correctly, protects himself and counters effortlessly. These are just some off-the-cuff remarks. Honestly, if I could pick out any fighter today who most exemplifies proper boxing technique, it would be Hopkins. The idea that he is "far from textbook" is absurd.

    With some vagaries about how Ward is "intelligent" and uses simlar "gamesmanship" and "ring generalship" to Hopkins, yes. Thanks for that. Like I say, they're both sneaky, lure you in and rough you up on the inside. The similarities end there. They don't have the same moves, and Ward doesn't have a fraction of the technical excellence or bag of tricks as Hopkins. Admittedly, he's only learning, but at this stage he resembles him no more than faintly.

    Ward is a very good fighter.
     
  15. LukeO

    LukeO Erik Morales is God Full Member

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    hahahahahahha

    Not to mention god can't keep having all these sons.