Simple Question: how many of the first 10 did Regis win?

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  1. Twentyman

    Twentyman You dog nonce! banned Full Member

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    The compubox figures don’t always tell the story of a fight. I thought Taylor was effectively using his size and strength to just edge the close rounds with the ring generalship and effective aggression. It was a very close fight in which I said beforehand that Prograis would win. I would have had no problem with a 7-5 either way or a draw but it was no robbery at all. Any scorecard with 8-4 or more is very skewed imo.
     
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  2. lencoreastside

    lencoreastside Obsessed with Boxing banned Full Member

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    Yes but at least 5 rounds were clear Prograis rounds. So if he wins even one of the "close" rounds he mathematically cannot lose.

    I think it's s question of perception. Josh did a lot better than many people expected. So they gave him rounds they shouldn't have because of this. I think if a lot of these people rewatch it with no commentary they would change their minds. It's hard not to be influenced by the ludicrously biased sky commentators and the home crowd roaring for every punch Josh threw. You have to take these factors into consideration. These factors caused people to give close rounds to Josh that he didn't deserve.
     
  3. lencoreastside

    lencoreastside Obsessed with Boxing banned Full Member

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    FWIW I was very impressed with Josh. He did a lot better than I expected. In particular he really neutralised Regis body punches. This was no mean feat. Very impressive.
     
  4. Carlton Cole

    Carlton Cole Member banned Full Member

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    Sometimes we get it wrong there’s no shame in that Len. Onto the next one buddy let it go
     
  5. DJN16

    DJN16 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Len the fight was excellent. Both boxers were excellent. I'm usually a big fan of punch stats but it doesn't tell everything.

    Taylor won the majority of the middle rounds.

    The fight had a comparison to Gatti - Ward 1 in the sense where it didn't really matter who got the win, both guys were excellent.
     
  6. Citizen Smith

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    It is as close to an objective analysis as we have. I had the beeb's audio coverage on in the background and throughout they were going mental for any Taylor punch landed, while either not reporting or keeping Prograis' better work on the down low. I was not that fussed who won, but I like to see the right result. On this occasion, it is in doubt.
     
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  7. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    It was close
    And in any close fight the end result will inevitably upset some

    People need to move on as this was no robbery
     
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  8. Jurgen

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    I scored the fight a draw mate - always state it as I see it.
     
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  9. Twentyman

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    Objective only on one aspect of scoring bud.
     
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  10. Citizen Smith

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    Subjectively then, Prograis jabbed his head off, then shared the power throughout. Objectively, that is backed up by the man in Compubox pressing the button every time a punch lands. If we are disputing those punches then we are in fantasy land.
     
  11. Momus

    Momus Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Compubox is two people with laptops counting punches. It’s just as susceptible to human error as three people with a pencil and card scoring it round by round.

    It’s an objective but flawed measurement of a single aspect of boxing scoring. It treats every single non-jab as equal, and ignores the other scoring criteria outside of number of punches landed. It’s not amateur boxing, and pros are fighting to the criteria set in the rules. If it was about number of scoring punches, most fights would look like 1990s amateur bouts, as fighters would play to that scoring criteria.

    Taylor-Prograis was a close fight that could have gone either way. Close fights aren’t robberies. The only controversy is that one of the cards was very iffy.
     
  12. jm2729v

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    Conclusion: The boxing scoring format is almost fatally flawed.
     
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  13. Fhaggis

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    Yeah he won
     
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  14. Citizen Smith

    Citizen Smith Active Member Full Member

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    Please explain the workings of Compubox in detail. Is it just 2 guys with laptops? Are you sure? Do you know the model of those laptops or are you just guessing? I will guess that you are guessing.
     
  15. bbjc

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    Thought taylor won it fair and square tbh. Obviously a close fight but taylor was too big and fit for him in the end. Prograis a very good fighter tho. Had better flashier skills than taylor. But taylor out worked/manned him. Not sure compubox really tells the story of a fight tbh.

    One thing where the americans are slightly behind the brits are in the battle of the scales imo. The brits are great at boiling guys down to make weight before balloning up for fight night. That for me won taylor the fight. The downside is it pretty much ends there careers at the top level earlier but allows them to get wins like last night against guys that would probably beat them otherwise. The americans concentrate more on skill...but it does struggle against guys that are heavier and the stamina of the brits at times.

    Never been a massive fan of mcguigan...but he proved me wrong with taylor....got the perfect balance of stamina, size and skill. Managed to keep his stamina while keeping him at weight...so far anyway.