Simpson getting the Lonsdale belt for keeps

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  1. MIK1000

    MIK1000 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    What was the basis on him getting it for keeps? Is there a rule that if you lose it and win it back you get it for keeps?
     
  2. Mandanda

    Mandanda SkillspayBills Full Member

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    Yeah he's won the amount needed to earn Lonsdale title for keeps. I think that last night he surpassed the 4 needed. I think it's 4..?
     
  3. MIK1000

    MIK1000 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Defend it three times I believe, So yeah 4 when you include the time you challenge for it plus three defenses.
     
  4. hagman1989

    hagman1989 the boxing site , try it Full Member

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    its just win 4 british title fights i think
     
  5. Mandanda

    Mandanda SkillspayBills Full Member

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    Yeah just looked through his record. Last night was his 4th win in a British Title fight.

    I think Lenny Daws can win it outright if he beats Theopane in Feb.
     
  6. aqualung

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    There are 2 ways to keep a lonsdale belt. Either win 4 British title fights at any weight, as Simpson just did, or win the tittle and successfully defend it twice.

    The belts are rather valuable a few have been sold at auction for around £60,000

    Edit: Not that I'm suggesting Simpson should/would sell it.
     
  7. ed robinson

    ed robinson Member Full Member

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    There's actually only one way to win a Lonsdale belt - win 4 British title fights. It was three back in the day, which is why Ryan Rhodes record for winning a belt outright will almost certainly never be repeated.
     
  8. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    Henry Coopers record will definitely never be repeated....;O)
     
  9. MIK1000

    MIK1000 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Cooper has record for number of defences of the Lonsdale belt?
     
  10. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    His record is that he got to keep 3 belts at the same weight. They used to give out a belt every 3 winning title fights, so 9 wins got you 3 belts. Now they just give out 1 belt per weight no matter how many wins.
     
  11. MIK1000

    MIK1000 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    ah I see. Must have cost them a good bit of money. I wonder how expensive the belt is to make.
     
  12. Greg Houston

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    There's a book on the history of the Lord Lonsadale Challenge Belt. Probably worth a read and may say how much it costs to make
     
  13. HairyHighlander

    HairyHighlander BASS !! HOWLOWCANUGO ?? Full Member

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    The History of the Lonsdale Belt

    By Ann-Marie Cartwright

    The much coveted Lonsdale belt originated from the 5th Earl of Lonsdale, Hugh Cecil Lowther. A keen enthusiast of sports, Lowther became the first president of the National Sporting Club and bequeathed the first Lonsdale belt in 1909 for a boxing championship trophy. The original Lonsdale belts are crafted from porcelain and are twenty-two carat gold making them valuable items. An anonymous owner recently auctioned a nine-carat gold Lonsdale belt awarded to Randolph Turpin over 40 years ago, which packed a punch of its own, fetching a staggering £23,000.

    The first boxer to be decorated with the Lonsdale belt was former British lightweight champion Freddie Welsh in 1909. Due to its historical and financial value, the original Lonsdale Belt is now kept at The Royal Artillery Barracks in Woolwich, South East London. Unfortunately it is not exhibited to the general public.

    The Lonsdale belt was originally given to the winner of each bout and was passed on as the title changed hands until 1929 when the belts were awarded by the British Boxing Board of Control (BBBC). Under the BBBC’s jurisdiction, the Lonsdale belt would become the property of a champion who had won three title bouts within the same division. Now however, the belt must be won and defended three times in order to keep the belt outright. Several champions have acquired two belts, but Henry Cooper (“Our Enry”) is the only champion to have acquired three in his illustrious seventeen year professional career.

    The idea of a ‘trophy’ in the form of a belt was not the brainchild of Hugh Cecil Lowther. It had in fact been a long standing tradition and had previously surfaced in the cobbles and dusty rings of fairgrounds and market squares whereby pugilism was arguably more entertaining than it is today, with large and elaborate belts up for grabs to the victor of the bout.

    The first recorded British champion to have received a belt as a prize was one of the most respected bare-knuckle boxers ever seen in a British prize ring, Tom Cribb in 1809. Cribb’s trophy was not comparable in value to the Lonsdale belt, but it was unique and valuable in its entirety, manufactured from lion skin and decorated with a large silver buckle. Whilst each belt was unique to each fighter, the belts were not automatically given to a fighter who won a championship within his weight division but often were awarded only if his fans could raise the money to buy an expensive trophy.

    “Bombardier” Billy Wells from London’s East End was the first British heavyweight to win the Lonsdale Belt back in 1911 where he defeated Ian Hague with a knockout in the sixth round. For the non-boxing enthusiast, Billy Wells has also been seen by millions of spectators of the big screen and is ironically better known as the man who bangs the gong for the start of Rank films.

    Wells defended the title thirteen times, a record that stood for many years, before losing against Joe Beckett in February 1919. The Lonsdale Belt that he won was the original heavyweight belt and is crafted from 22 carat gold unlike later belts.

    For the next 50 years, these belts were one of the greatest prizes to be gained in Boxing before Britain was sadly swamped by a proliferation of dubious ‘championship’ titles which have devalued the British title to some extent.
     
  14. sportofkings

    sportofkings Boxing Junkie banned

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    Well done to him, I like him, hes tough as nails and will fight anyone anywhere.Very Good win on wednesday for him.
     
  15. GazOC

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    Great read HH. Cheers!!