Since SMW (168lb) was created.. Who beats Andre Ward

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  1. Combatesdeboxeo_

    Combatesdeboxeo_ Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Lol sorry if a break your heart but i doubt it
     
  2. Jel

    Jel Obsessive list maker Full Member

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    Roy Jones would probably beat him but Ward would be the toughest fight of Jones's prime career.
     
  3. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    The Korean bulldozer, Chong-Pal Park, grinds down Andre Ward. You heard it here first. :scared1
     
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  4. Mendoza

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    I wish Ward did not retire, and fought the rest of the light heavyweight division. I think he walked away because he didn't fancy being 33 facing guys younger than him and could no longer make 168 pounds. IMO, he was a little lucky on the cards in the first fight with Kovalev and a little dirty in the second fight.

    Ward should be considered in the top three at 168 pounds. Id favor Jones and Calzaghe over him.
     
  5. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Toney, Jones and Nunn.
     
  6. escudo

    escudo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Toney and Jones for sure but I think Nunn gets eaten alive to the body and Ward stops him late.
     
  7. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    What were Ward's weaknesses at 168? Who gave prime Ward his toughest challenges?
     
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  8. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Ward is immensely talented, and I think he genuinely believes he never got the respect he deserved, and I tend to believe there is truth in that. On the flip side, Ward definitely seemed to have a sense of self-entitlement.

    If the right opportunity emerged, I wouldn't be surprised to see him back again at some point in the next few years, but I also wouldn't be shocked if he really did call it a day.

    As for the Kovalev fights, the majority of observers did believe Kovalev won the first fight. I had Ward edging it myself, but I am definitely in the minority. But the rematch I think Ward proved above and beyond that he was the superior boxer all around. And it seems to me that among his critics and detractors, that his most vocal haters act as if he was performing like Golota from Bowe-Golota II, and that couldn't be further from the truth. As Roger Bloodworth was always fond of saying with regards to the specifics of any boxing match, "That's why they call it a fight".

    I wish Ward hadn't retired either, in the sense that I think match-ups between him and a lot of the up-and-comers at 175 would have been fascinating match-ups. And I think there's a chance that Ward could have gotten through that bunch with his unblemished record intact. But I don't think any of those guys, paired with Ward who himself is no big name, make it lucrative enough in the risk-reward realm.

    Now if one of those guys emerges as the clear best among the rest, maybe Ward will come back if the dust doesn't take too long to settle. But sadly, I think it will take awhile to settle. And I wouldn't be surprised if Kovalev is the one standing atop the mountain when the dust eventually does settle. That could maybe make a 3rd Kovalev-Ward bout feasible. And even if I'm wrong about Kovalev being the guy, and it winds up being Gvozdyk or Beterbiev or Bivol or someone else (take your pick), that could maybe be something that lures Ward back.

    As great as I think Ward's career was, it does fall just a bit short of the mark where his critics have just enough of an opening, where the extremist faction attempts to reduce him down to the lowest possible denominator, all things considered.
     
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  9. Rumsfeld

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    Of the fights he had from the start of the Super 6, I actually think Bika gave him his toughest test. Calzaghe advocates are big to jump on this point, along with the fact that Joe beat Kessler first, as a couple of the primary reasons that Joe should be ranked higher than Ward. It's true Joe beat those guys first, and it's true Kessler was probably better for wear back when he fought Calzaghe. But Bika always ran a little hot and cold, and I think he was really on his game against Ward. In fact, if memory serves, Ward himself conceded it took him about 6 rounds before he was able to effectively make an adjustment to Bika's tactics.

    He dominated everyone else from the start of the Super 6 up until his last fight at 168. Unless you want to count the Boone fight, but that was definitely pre-prime, and in the developmental phase. So Bika's the answer.
     
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  10. KiwiMan

    KiwiMan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'd favour peak Jones quite strongly over Ward, nevertheless Ward is just too good to get destroyed by any SMW in my opinion - still a tough fight for all concerned. I think I'll take Toney too.

    Calzaghe would have a decent chance too but I'm not sure I'd pick him.
     
  11. JohnThomas1

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    I reckon you're on a winner there Rummy :D
     
  12. J Jones

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    What do you think Ward does to prove me wrong?

    Falling in behind his 1-2 and head butted to initiate his maul and brawl tactics won’t work with PRIME 168 RJJ. Roy is simply too fast, too accurate, and hits quite hard. If Kovalev, who has maybe 1/100th of the athleticism of a PRIME 168 RJJ, could trouble Ward, I see no other outcome but a dominant RJJ win. Once Ward recognizes that he’s too slow to catch Roy without getting clipped on his way in, his best bet is to play it safe and accept a UD loss. This fight would look like Jones vs Toney.

    Speaking of Toney. I think he beats Ward, provided he’s motivated and in good shape.
     
  13. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Can someone please break down the argument for favoring Toney over Ward?
     
  14. escudo

    escudo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    let me finish eating i'll give you my .02 on it.
     
  15. Combatesdeboxeo_

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    I did not say that roy could not beat ward but "destroy him" i doubt it