Since when did Pac become Willie Pep?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by lern1079, Jul 24, 2009.


  1. BlueApollo

    BlueApollo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I've seen you post examples of Manny's versatility pre-Morales I (the .gif of the Ledwaba uppercut comes to mind), but I think it's safe to say that Manny lived off of his straight left and 1-2, whatever else he was potentially capable of. Of the three mentioned above, Oscar was by far the most strong hand dominant, but his balance and footwork was easily superior to Manny's at a similar stage.

    Hopkins and Whitaker were remarkably complete fighters from very early on. I've been going over a bunch of old Hopkins fights lately, and his left hook upstairs and down used to be at least as good as his right, if not slightly better.
     
  2. lern1079

    lern1079 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He can't really fight of the backfoot. He hasn't even had to because no one has really backed him up like Morales did in their first encounter.
     
  3. BlueApollo

    BlueApollo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He did to a small degree against Hatton, but then Hatton's defense embarrassed club fighters world wide.
     
  4. lern1079

    lern1079 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Hatton didn't intelligently pressure. Most of it was slipping under punches. I mean fight of the back foot like PBF and Cotto can. Do you know what I mean?
     
  5. hooligan

    hooligan Millionaire Bum Full Member

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    he knocked down morales in the third fight backing up....
     
  6. borj

    borj the Pacific Storm Full Member

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    hatton fight, you know the one before the the first knockdown came? watch it. he was going back then went forward for 1-2 uppercut. take a look. tell me if it's not qualified then you have to give me an example
     
  7. BlueApollo

    BlueApollo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I do know what you mean, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting to see it happen. Roach is steering Manny clear of the guys left at 147 who really have the strength, size, chin, or style to push Manny straight backwards.

    Cotto is going to box him, not pressure him.
     
  8. lern1079

    lern1079 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He doesn't have the aptitude to do it consistently and for a sustainable period of time. He will eventually come forward. He will take a step or two back slip a punch and go forward. It's not something that he has had to do and it's not in his nature.

    Listen just because I can throw a 1-2 combination doesn't make me a boxer or give me the aptitude to do it well on a consistent level.

    For example, PBF can fight on his backfoot and effectively use the entire round hence his reputation as a runner.
     
  9. Tuno

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    See the mistake in your observation is that just because he doesn't go straight back when backing up like he use to doesn't mean he can't fight off the backfoot. He is a much better boxer now, instead of backing straight up like he use to which makes him an easy target, he is now capable of circling his opponents. The reason he hasn't fought backing up like he did with Morales is because he learned a better way of getting away from his opponent than going straight back.
     
  10. Tuno

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    PBF is a world-class runner. The guy have tremendous amount of experience backing up, actually he does more backing up in any given round than he ever go forward in his entire career. With that much experience, he better be good at fighting off his back foot if he wants to win any fights.
     
  11. lern1079

    lern1079 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I never said anything about "going straight back"
     
  12. Tuno

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    You mentioned Morales fight which was how Pac fought when backing up. Pac fought off his back foot while going straight back in that fight, as we saw how badly it was for him each time he did it. Each fight after that, he slowly changed that and now we rarely see him going straight back when being backed up anymore. He does dart in and out and circling instead, which makes him a difficult target and easier for him on the offense. He can fight off his back foot without as much risk using this technique and have more angles to place his punches which helps put people off guard. And it is punches you don't see that would do the most damage.
     
  13. lern1079

    lern1079 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    In the Morales fight he was just going straight back because he didn't know how to fight off the back foot.
     
  14. Tuno

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    That is also what I am saying, but this is a thing of the past. Pac was horrible fighting off his back foot during Morales fight, but he have changed his technique since.

    Are you just making random statement without reading what was posted?
     
  15. psychopath

    psychopath D' "X" Factor Full Member

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    Yeah an eye catching title . . . which is a false claim . . . and commenting on the body will mean I fell victim to you being a tool.