Sit Down Earnie Shavers ... Deontay Wilder is the best puncher the division has ever produced

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  1. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    And?

    What?

    Again, he never had the opportunity to land flush on guys like Lennox.

    Why didn't Wilder body Stiverne?

    Why didn't he body a light punching Fury who was dropped by a CW, and who'd been inactive for 3 years?

    You obviously need the opportunity.
     
  2. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    More nonsense.

    Nobody who wants a proper debate highlights an opponent that someone faced at 47 years of age.

    Why don't you wait until he's retired before trying to do a comparison.

    Wilder is a far more successful HW than George ever was?

    What's he done?

    He's been gifted a draw against a version of Fury who wasn't at his best.

    What's his best win?

    Foreman was fighting the same calibre of opposition when he was in his 40's.

    Evander, Briggs, Morrison and Moorer were better than most of Wilder's opponents.

    As of yet, he's done nothing special.

    I don't think he'd have reigned in the 70's, 80's and 90's. And regarding a H2H match up, I'd definitely have favoured George over him.
     
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  3. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He dropped Stiverne four times in two fights and stopped him in a round. He floored Fury twice. Did you miss those?

    Why didn't George knock out Roberto Davila? Or Levi Forte? Or Bigfoot Martin? Or Alex Stewart? Or Tommy Morrison (who needed an oxygen tank after the third round)?

    Give me a break. The only guy in his career Wilder hasn't stopped is Fury. And they're fighting again, if Fury doesn't push it back another year, like he did in 2019.

    But who cares if you can't knock out Bigfoot Martin. As long as you can lift a cow, right?
     
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  4. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    FIVE YEARS as champion. 10 SUCCESSFUL title defenses.

    That's more successful than a one-year reign and two defenses (one against Joe "King" Roman).
     
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  5. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    When George was Luis Ortiz's age, he was going 10 with Bigfoot Martin.

    When he was Wilder's age, he was a 300-pound preacher who had been floored and retired by 20-5 (with 7 KOs) Jimmy Young.

    George was one of the best knockout punchers ever. But Wilder is better.
     
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  6. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'll give him all the credit in the world...but we both know that it it not going to happen. Beating up on the same old man as he already did is just not that impressive. Let him beat the fury, who has already beaten him, and we will talk.
     
  7. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Lol. Ortiz and Stiverne were more than willing to jump back in the ring with him, and fury is willing to. I just heard Holmes claim that he can beat anyone currently active. Doesn't seem that he's as feared as all that.
     
  8. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes, and it seems that you have no evidence to site.
     
  9. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Every win is evidence. 10 successful title defenses (9 by KOs) is evidence. The highest KO percentage in heavyweight history is evidence,too. The fact that he was outweighed in every title fight is evidence, too.

    Wilder's not some 250-pounder like Vitali scoring TKOs over former light heavyweights and cruiserweights like Adamek and Juan Carlos Gomez.

    Everyone Wilder has fought in a title fight outweighed him. The only guy to go the distance with him, Fury, outweighed Wilder by 50 freaking pounds ... and Wilder still put him on his butt twice.

    Who did George Foreman defend against and knock out who outweighed him by 50 pounds?

    If Wilder was routinely defending against challengers who were 20 or 30 pounds less than him, instead of 20 or 30 pounds more than him, guys would end up dead.
     
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  10. Entaowed

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    That's right man. Tex Cobb & James "Quick" Tillis are among others who said Shavers hit them the hardest ever.

    And it is a huge sign of a lack of knowledge of boxing to eqaute pure KO% with raw power.
    How many times do people need to be told before they absorb that *So* many other things go into how many folks you KO, & how early.
    Boxing skills galore. How accurate you are. How many punches you land, especially in combinations. Punch resistance. Endurance. Who you fight at what stage of their career.

    If anything, Shaver's great KO% *given* his other serious limitations in talent are an endorsement of his overwhelming power.

    And how about boxers like Wilder scoring KOs, KDs, & softening men up for the same with illegal shots like rabbit punches? To the back or top of the head.
    That kind of cheating, even if unintentional, makes it far easier to score KOs.

    Wilder has excellent power. And guys not seeing it coming accentuates that.
    But given who he fights & his tactics, that context does not reflect that he has the best ever power.
     
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  11. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It's funny, all these guys who Shavers DIDN'T knock out say he was the best puncher ever. It's almost like they want to take credit for not getting knocked out ... and don't want to praise the guys who actually did waste them.

    Shavers didn't punch hard enough to stop or beat Tex Cobb (who was dropped four times and stopped by Dee Collier, and also floored by Eddie Gregg). Didn't punch hard enough to stop or defeat Tillis (who was stopped a dozen times). Didn't punch hard enough to stop or beat Ron Lyle (and even Lynn Ball did that). Didn't punch hard enough to stop or beat Bernardo Mercado (who even Leon Spinks and John Tate stopped). Didn't punch hard enought to stop or beat Ron Stander (who was knocked out 10 times).

    I watched Shavers fight live from 1977 on. I always rooted for him. I read all the articles that he was the best puncher.

    But ... the older I get, the more the shine is wearing off that. Sadly. And the more I think back, the more I realize the fact that Shavers didn't win a whole lot when I watched him on TV, even against nobodies.

    Wilder obliterates people. Shavers would drop them, and then they'd get up and Shavers would lose.

    Wilder's a better puncher.

    And if Tillis doesn't think Witherspoon was the hardest puncher he faced, then he just doesn't remember getting destroyed.
     
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  12. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wins against the ill and part-time fighters are not evidence of anything except Wilder's cowardice.
     
  13. RingKing75

    RingKing75 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    lol yeah and look at what happened to both. gtfoh you clown.
     
  14. Richard M Murrieta

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    I remember The Acorn, as Ali called him before their fight on Sept 29 1977, which Ali won, a very heavy handed puncher, who put many to sleep. People remember that Jerry Quarry kayoed him in round 1, on Dec 14 1973. Good fighter, Earnie Shavers was though.
     
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  15. AdamT

    AdamT Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    that's demon power right there!

    Haters can hate, but the guy can F*****G Punch!!!!
     
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