Sit Down Earnie Shavers ... Deontay Wilder is the best puncher the division has ever produced

Idiot. The point is that they we hardly terrified of his power. Of course Wilder won the fights. Ortiz has bad high blood pressure, and Stiverne is so obese that he actually has some kind of medical condition himself. Widler targets sick fighters, and failed to put away the only good one he faced.

So **** off dumb ass.

 

I was hoping that if I had a short break from the thread that you may have replied to Entaowed's post. Yet it appears that you're obviously incapable of doing so.

Dimmest bulb on this board?

Please!

You are a joke.

You have no understanding of anything.

You debate on statistics and only take into account any circumstances when it suits.

The reason I highlighted George's number of fights should be obvious to anyone with a brain.

No fighter could be at his best every time if he fought into his late 40's during an 80 fight career.

Yes, George went the distance with a lot of guys, and Wilder doesn't. But Wilder is now in his prime, fighting mainly low level opposition, whereas George was taking on high level opponents at a very advanced age.

Now like I've mentioned previously, some guys are hard to knock out purely because of the stylistic match up that they bring to the table. And some come just to survive. And obviously some opponents are just simply better. So being a logical person, I'm willing to accept that George may not have knocked out every one of his opponents, even if he'd have been at his absolute best and in his prime for each one of them. But on the other hand, it's completely ignorant of you to not make allowances for his circumstances during some of his fights. Things such as:

He had a very busy schedule when he was just a novice.

He fought guys like Evander and Morrison when he was in his late 40's.

Now if you're not going to make allowances for those circumstances and you simply refuse to believe that they may have affected his performances in any way, you are a complete ignoramus.

Yes, Deontay Wilder has a better knockout percentage. Of course he does. But again, you're comparing someone who fought 80 times into his late 40's, where he fought guys like Ali, Frazier and Evander etc, to a guy who's in his 30's, who's fought half the bouts, against mainly low level opposition. So at this point in time, the stats obviously favour Wilder.

What you need to do is to be asking yourself the following questions:

Could George Foreman have followed Wilder's exact timeline and replicated his results?

Could Wilder follow George's exact timeline and replicate/better his results and his knockout percentage?

My answer to the first question, is: Definitely

My answer to the second question, is: I think it would be highly unlikely.

Have a think about it yourself.

If George was now in his 30's fighting 2 opponents a year, guys such as: Ortiz, Stiverne and Szpilka etc, I don't see that there'd be an issue. Yet we don't know if Wilder could have beaten guys such as: Evander, Morrison and Briggs etc, right now, let alone when into his 40's. And if he couldn't, then that would obviously affect his knockout percentage. Which would mean that his statistics wouldn't look as impressive as what they currently do.

 

Another great post from you.

We're truly blessed.

It's a real pleasure to have you here as a member.

I don't care who else knocked out Levi Forte.

Are you saying that no version of George could have knocked him out?

George has spoken in the past of that fight. He was just 20 years old. He turned up to Miami thinking it was going to be easy, but he got a shock.

It happens.

It happens quite frequently.

If I said to you that Mike Tyson was a better puncher than Wilder, you'd probably come back to me and say that he couldn't knock out Danny Williams etc. And that's because you're trying to debate purely on statistics.

Even when he was at his best, Mike couldn't knock out Tillis and Green. Yet novices and journeyman could. So what does that tell us? Does it tell us that those novices and journeyman were better punchers than Mike, on the grounds that they could do something that he couldn't? Or would we have to look a bit deeper?

Don't be a BoxRec warrior. It's how casuals debate.

Regarding George's 'Toronto 5', it was an exhibition of five, 3 round bouts.

Regarding the Olympics, they were obviously 3 round AMATEUR bouts.

Now kindly tell me how on earth those fights can compare to fighting THREE PROFESSIONAL bouts in just 12 days, which were in THREE SEPERATE STATE'S, two of which that were scheduled for 10 rounds?

You simply cannot compare 3 round amateur fights, to travelling around and fighting professional fights, two of which that came within a 48 hour period.

You really shouldn't need this explaining to you.

The differences between those scenarios are huge.

You are absolutely hopeless.

You have no understanding of anything.

Get back to your stats.

 

you cant talk facts to a crazy person the man who made this thread is crazy

 

For one shot power,,you're probably right

 

Joke thread. Wilder's chin is china and his record is littered with stiffs who ANYBODY could KO. His best wins, i.e. not against fellow china-chinned mediocrities like Szpilka et al. - are against OLD and OVERRATED fighters like Stiverne and Ortiz, who were never very good to begin with, and both well past their sell date.

Wilder's KO record - like his ability to remain vertical when hit with a punch - is a MIRAGE created by very careful matchmaking. And, as this thread proves, it has been a successful congame that has deceived some of the less perceptive elements of the boxing community.

 

I argee I always felt George power was overrated bad not comparing to deontay just in general to other hws George power is not top 5 the man always had to punch a person mutiple times even to stop them no names included from vid cooney and ron hit harder and others

 

IF, (and that's a big IF) Wilder knocks Fury out, then I'll agree. But he couldn't finish a weakened Fury after landing two perfect consecutive shots on his first fight, and couldn't put him away on the second (instead getting stopped himself).

Up until now Wilder has only been really tested by Fury, and until he overcomes that he will retain the title "can crushing champion".

 

Klitschkos left hook and Tua's left hook might have slightly more power than Wilders right hand tbh. Always thought that

 

And they'd both knock that glass-jawed joke OUT COLD. Early too.

 

its cause fury cant be beat by 1 big punch like mike couldnt he needed to be beat down over rounds

 

Mike Tyson is the best/hardest puncher.

He had 22 first round knockouts.