Size and sports science vs Golden era

What was the debate anyway???? Hahaha.

 

Essentially who could Hopkins beat at HW but then we spent a long time going on about Tucker and Norris

 

The heavyweight division became the Super heavyweight division when it was dominated exclusively with SHW sized boxers. the increase to 200lb meant boxers had to weigh even more than before just to bypass that unfashionable division that never caught on. Then the 24hour weigh ins meant they had to weigh even more to bypass it. Why be a 220lb "HW" when you can be a 220 CW?

it tells you tall SHW fighters had things too much their own way. Before classic sized HW fighters had too much their way. Changes in sport science, rule changes so much had changed. A 220 HW no longer exisists. They became obsolete in their own division! They were invaded.

especially since their potential to use artificial functional weight became realised after 1980s. Before it had not been possible for taller fighters to realise enough functional weight with older methods equipment and rules of earlier times.

Because these SHW did not exist as we know them now. The rule changes and methods for giants to realise their full physical potential in a useful way had not yet been invented.

 

Jab and grab is the oldest form of boxing!

 

Yes jack Johnson was the Master of it. Only Size and age beat him in the end. Then speed beat an old Willard.

It's funny. Johnson was winning the title with a size advantage over little guys then he loses to size advantage himself.

 

Personally, I had Holyfield 0 for 5, but the fan man fight could have gone either way and I don't have a huge problem with the score, although defending champions usually get the benefit of the doubt.

 

Size beat him in a way.

Under 12 round rules he probably stays champ till Dempsey comes along.

 

Agreed.

 

Choyski was likely smaller. Hart shorter and close to even weight. Both beat him.

 

I always thought you'd have subscribed to the theory that Johnson won because he was the bigger man.

Now it seems you are subscribing to the theory that Johnson won all his fights because he was the better man rather than the bigger man.

Because of this I've just moved Johnson up some places on my ATG list.

 

It's an interesting fight this because stylistically they follow similar game plans.

Both are quite weak infighters and so try to keep the fight at range.

Both rely on footwork to out maneuovre their opponents and both are quite patient with the shots they throw.

The big difference is Ali relies on speed to get his shots off and Fury relies on his range to get his punches off.

The question really becomes whether Ali is quick enough to get inside the guard of Fury land his shots and then get outside again.

For my money I think he is. I pick Ali to win a reasonably wide decision.

 

I'd go one further, Ali would likely stop him IMO.

 

Main problem is we're comparing different boxers AND different eras.

So....let's compare Ray Robinson (or insert any fighter you like) as was vs Robinson born in 1989 and trained in modern methods with modern diet. Robinson born in 1989 would likely use some weights, certainly supplements and be less well-schooled, he definitely would have far fewer fights and against lesser opponents. So I'd say original SRR wins.

There is an interesting case in point where modern fighters from E Europe tend to have been trained up according to an older school of training. And they seem to be better than the modern American boxers.

 

Pure rubbish

Fury won every round against wlad so how exactly was it a "close decision" ?

Ali was not the greatest HW champ Louis and wlad had much better reigns as champion

Ali needed gift decisions to beat norton and young 2 fighters Fury would absolutely destroy

Ali is a powder puff puncher so how exactly is he going to knock out Fury if wlad one of the hardest punchers ever couldn't ?

As I said before your post was pure rubbish you should hang your head in shame for suggesting Ali could beat someone as great as Tyson Fury