Skilled boxers who were one-dimensional

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  1. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Damn, sorry I missed reviewing it there, but thanks for that input of independent evaluation. If it's indeed been on youtube, then it should return presently. If there was just a single performance of El Maestro's everybody should see, it's this clinic. (Preferably with the Bass/Lederman English language voice-over for easier following, since that's the language we're mostly communicating with here. Bass could be over-exuberant at times, but Lederman, being an experienced judging official, knew what to look for and point out, and they had the advantage of being able to preview tape before recording voice-overs for the American audience, rather than calling it live without knowing what to expect.)
     
  2. SLAKKA

    SLAKKA Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Lorenzo Zannon was out boxing Larry Holmes beautifully in moments.
     
  3. I agree with all this.

    ''One-dimensional'' is a pretty broad term - it can mean multiple things. It can mean limited, in a caveman type way, or it can mean simply fighting the same way every time, or only being good at one particular aspect - taking Amir Khan as an example.

    The Nelson-Marquez parallel is an interesting one, that I agree with. As technically sound and intelligent as Marquez is, he does often look lost when he's the one having to press the action, for instance against Chris John and also Floyd too..... whilst against opponents like Katsidis or Diaz he can start in a countering mode early whilst he's able to figure out the best method of attack - against Diaz it was lead uppercuts and body shots.... Katsidis was uppercuts all night.

    Hatton is an interesting case, people often say ''one-dimensional'' or ''limited'', when by British standards he was about as varied as you'll find. His footwork was superb and he could both box and fight - he just found it easier as a naturally strong man to be the bully, but in his earlier days he was very adept at drawing leads and countering with allsorts.

    When people say that Khan is more skilled it makes me :rofl
     
  4. Flo_Raiden

    Flo_Raiden Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Would Nicolino Locche count as one dimensional despite a good defensive boxing skills? He seemed to rely exclusively on his defensive savvy but I don't think I've seen him switching gears. Especially when it comes to mixing it up offensively. Correct me if I'm wrong though.
     
  5. Flea Man

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    Completely and pretty limited offensively as well.
     
  6. Flo_Raiden

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    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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  8. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Henry Armstrong
    MIkkel Kessler.
     
  9. Tin_Ribs

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    Weird, I was just thinking about Kessler while walking back from the supermarket after a bit of late night shopping. He was mechanical and upright but threw such fundamentally strong punches with both hands.. Excellent textbook technique in that regard and with real power, just very basic defensively and not hard to knock out of his comfort zone if you tried. It was a shame really, his body betrayed him after the Ward fight and he rapidly declined physically but actually seemed to be incorporating new things into his game and becoming more nuanced in terms of upper body movement and trying to seam his defence and attack together a bit more. He was just too faded in body for it to properly benefit him. I really liked him, he was a genuinely very good fighter at his best and I'm not sure we got to see his peak. A tough fighter to face if you were a mover or pure boxer type but not as effective when driven onto the back foot or faced with roughness, unorthodox etc.
     
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  10. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    The man himself Felix Trinidad. Highly skilled with nice punching technique. Good punch variety and power on both side. He had a good jab. He believed in stalking but not cutting the ring down as well maybe. Tito believed in his stamina that he would be hitting harder in deep water.
    Footwork was robotic and didn't box as well as his talent may have allowed.
    It took some great boxers to exploit this.
     
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  11. ChrisJS

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    Was going to mention Tito. A pinpoint deadly accurate power puncher who could put them together in style but one-dimensional for the most part.
     
  12. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Since Tito retired there hasnt been anyone to take his place as a favorite fighter. Not even close. He brought excitement in the ring everytime. High level
     
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  13. Mendoza

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    Joe Frazier.
     
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  14. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yeah, he could stand off and dismantle slower come forward guys like Librado Andrade with those precise one twos, and could certainly lower the boom on someone like Beyer...But on the whole, he operated at one pace and essentially using the same approach. Work behind the jab, throw those precise shots, block the opponent's shots as best he could (which he could do quite well, to be fair) and then repeat the process. Like you said, guys who were a little unorthodox or who could disrupt his rhythm gave him fits as a result.
     
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  15. Flash24

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    Dont agree with this one.