Skills Pay the Bills: The Amazing Floyd

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  1. GOW7

    GOW7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm sorry but its Pacquiao fans just like yourself who mention Floyd and his balls more than me. This is a "boxing" dicussion. You *******s should try sticking to intelligent debate for once than petty name calling and homophobic rants just like the man you claim you're not a fan of.:tong
     
  2. janeschicken

    janeschicken hard work! deadicayshin! Full Member

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    Why is anyone who dislikes mayweather immediately a pacquiao fan by default? Or is it impossible to dislike a racist, cowardly, wife-beating **** without being a fan of Manny?
     
  3. puga_ni_nana

    puga_ni_nana Dempsey Roll Full Member

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    ony an idiot or a die-hard joyboy would say that size would have nothing to do with this fight being one-sided as it is.
     
  4. BOSTONREDSOX

    BOSTONREDSOX The Ghost Full Member

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    i wonder if they will allow floyd and ellerbe conjugal visits
     
  5. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    Mosley telegraphs his punches all the way from Pamona and keep his head upright when he finishes his punches. Pacquiao is smaller than Floyd and he will have to overcome that but unlike Marquez and Mosley his feet are not stuck in concrete. Pacquiao is the most fleet-footed boxer in the sport and he will be able to get at Floyd from angles that Floyd is not used to seeing. Its true that Floyd's superior physical strength should be enough to keep what a basically a jrWW off him but we all saw Pac has the punch resistance of a full blown WW and he trains in a manner to be able to take a punch without interrupting his mindset and gameplan. That's not purely Pac's natural talent he actually trains to be able to walk through punches.

    Pac will not wear out mentally nor physically like these other boxers who start to overthink against Floyd and become lost. He has that ability to force punches forward at time even when the openings is not there and that will help him as well. He can make the momentum shift back in his favour that way like Calzaghe did to Hopkins when things weren't going his way. And he doesn't rush in like a bull with his chin up in the air he uses angles very effectively, closes the gap from different directions and can also push/pull a fighter or put traps on em.

    Pac by decision, Pac will be more than Floyd can handle.
     
  6. janeschicken

    janeschicken hard work! deadicayshin! Full Member

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    :lol

    If you thought floyd's Ustream vids were terrible before, wait until he starts filming from Jail.
     
  7. Kel1981

    Kel1981 P4P No.1 Full Member

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    Funny ain't it? I don't think Floyd fans can think beyond supporting more than one fighter, I really don't.
     
  8. GOW7

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    Great post. But I feel Manny telegraphs his shots as well because he puts his whole body weight into a shot. You never see Pacquiao feint or throw a measured shot. His most measured shot is his lead right hook which is still a power shot which he uses to set up his straight left. But when you watch Manny vs JMM and Morales 1 they both easily timed Manny initially and would go to town on him. Even Cotto in rounds 1,2, and 5 was able to time Manny with his jab. And quite frankly Clottey when he did throw was able to land and bust Manny's face up which leads me to my next point.

    Manny's face busts up easily . Grant it Floyd isn't the strongest of punchers he will be able to time and bust that face up like Morales,JMM and Clottey . Cotto busted him up a little as well. I like your direction with whole Rocky bit that Manny can walk thru punches and all. But Manny in all actuality is a straightforward fighter. If Floyd makes him chase him Mannys footwork will be nullified. If it becomes a boxing match. Manny period will be nullified . He cant move and punch and he's most effective in exchanges and theres no denying that. Floyd takes it with skills and smarts.
     
  9. bambamz

    bambamz Active Member Full Member

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    i just cried laughing when i read this :lol:
     
  10. MATUBSKI82

    MATUBSKI82 Active Member Full Member

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    i wonder why he won't fight the midget!
     
  11. RedHots

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    Pacquiao is seriously an odd case in boxing, because he throws in a lot of stuff that just isn't by the book.

    Marquez was able to time Manny, but not via punches. He had to use footwork as his defense because he tried to time Manny in the first fight by beating him to the punch and all he got was multiple trips to the canvas. Marquez's best defense against Manny was actually a pivot backstep that also put himself out of range of Manny's left. As for Morales, it was the same kind of thing, except his footwork was to smother Pacquiao's punches before Pac could generate maximum power from extension.

    That's the same reason Cotto had very limited success against Pacquiao. Cotto was successfully jabbing Pacquiao in Round 1, but by early Round 2, Cotto was actually the one getting timed by Pacquiao, and Pac had great success using the straight left and the right hook over the top against the jab. Not only that, jabs never really worked on Pac, because Roach would seriously do his homework and figure out all opponent's jabs on tape and then translate it to a first-person POV for Pac, and that's why Manny's straight left has always taken away his opponents' jab. The straight right is obviously a different story, and it seems like they dare opponents to beat Pac with the straight right.

    There's actually one part of this entire thing I'm extremely curious about: clinch situations. I know that Floyd has the advantage in the clinch, and that Manny probably isn't physically strong enough to fight out of it, however, I think it could become a positioning game (sort of like cutting of the ring, in a way). Going back to the Hatton fight, every time Ricky tried to hold Manny and send him to the ropes, Manny was EASILY able to either push Ricky right to the center of the ring, or swing Ricky so that Ricky's back was against the ropes and not Manny's. I think it's because Pac is so strong in the legs. I have a feeling that he could some part of Floyd's phone-booth range away by doing the same kind of thing he did against Ricky (albeit offensively against Floyd rather than defensively against Hatton) and get some positioning in order to trap Floyd in the beginning (and basically steal the early rounds).

    What I feel right now is that Manny sneaks away with the win by close margin of points (SD or UD) in a first fight situation. I think subsequent rematches could very well be radically different in the way the fights play out.
     
  12. MATUBSKI82

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    why wait for next year?
     
  13. PH|LLA

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    my direction is not at all the rocky bit I don't think you understood my post at all. The part of being able to throw even if you get hit is just about keeping the momentum of the fight going your way. Apart from that once you have it, the plan is not to take one to land one its about using angles, footwork, speed and a versatile arsenal. If you really think Cotto was timing Pac with his jab in round 2 then I don't know what to say to you man cause what I saw was Pac popping Cotto with a straight left almost every time Cotto threw the jab and when Cotto tried the double jab Pac would just walk him into a right hand like he did right before the first knockdown.

    Pac owned Cotto's jab so bad at times during that fight that it was kind of weird.

    Listen i know how people like you view the sport you thought bad chad was the next p4p king when Floyd retires and think that Andre Dirrell is probably the best SMW in the world. There's a whole dimension to boxing that people like you don't understand and I can tell you're one of those people from what you were able to take from my post.

    and btw Pac's most measured shot is not the right hook its the lead straight left hand that's pretty obvious. He can throw any shot measured or just let loose which is why he's gonna be too hard for Floyd to adapt to.
     
  14. Marcelo

    Marcelo Guest

    Before any of this, Pls help Floyd to find a set of Cajones first. Then Let him free of some Million Dollars to shut up his Ex ***** again. Once he finally sign to fight, then we can talk!!!

    For now just console your idol and suck each others Dicks!!!
     
  15. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    Is it me or did Floyd look slower in his Marquez fight than his Mosley one?

    Marquez was ****ed from the opening bell. Not only was he smaller, he was also slower with inferior timing.