Skills Pay The Bills-Underrating And Underestimating The True Skill Level Of Golovkin

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  1. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Of all the things I find perplexing on Boxing Forums and there are many, its this highly inaccurate perception that bothers me the most. That somehow fighters from Eastern Europe are all lead footed lumbering Frankenstein's Monsters who plod headlong into the fists of far more capable highly skilled fighters and their only saving grace is their immense power that they overwhelm their opponent with usually leading to the inevitable stoppage, which is frequently discredited because after all, "they didn't outbox anybody, they relied on their power." This couldn't be further from the truth, the reality is many of the fighters from Eastern Europe are some of the most skilled high caliber fighters to grace the squared circle in recent memory. There's a fallacy that many people seem to believe, its that only defensively minded fighters are somehow the true sweet scientists of the sport, and that hit and not get hit is of the utmost importance. But that's not the case, offensively minded fighters can be every bit as skilled as the hit and not get hit crowd, its only their detractors that don't seem to recognize these qualities in aggressive destroyer type fighters. Well that makes me wonder how deep their understanding of the sweet science really goes.

    Its a common occurrence with many fans they either can't see or refuse to acknowledge the proof that should be very apparent to them if they would just open their eyes and be willing to look. Many come forward fighters have been decried for their perceived lack of skills like Manny Pacquiao, Erik Morales, Joe Calzaghe, Carl Froch, Mike Tyson you get the idea. Seemingly missing their footwork, use of the jab, ability to slip punches in close by bobbing, weaving, blocking and parrying, counters, combinations, accuracy, stance, balance, control of range and distance. All that s*** they've got down to a science a sweet science. They only do it coming forward, which is in some ways more difficult to accomplish than it is constantly retreating.


    And guess what? Gennady Golovkin has an overabundance of those skills and is an elite level fighter of the highest order and only someone who doesn't comprehend the sweet science as good as they think they can, can't see this. Here let me explain it to you. Skill wise as an offensive fighter he's more well rounded and complex than most so-called defensive geniuses. Just like many proclaim that fans miss the subtleties of great defensive fighters and therefore "DKSAB" well the same argument can apply to them. Gennady's defense is top tier, his slight subtle head movements just enough to roll with punches or slip them in close, his blocking, his parrying all usually while coming forward is similar to Chocolatito, add in his just stepping out of range when his opponents shots are coming in, the reality is its a hell of a lot harder to hit GGG clean that most seem to think it is. His footwork is as close to brilliant as you can get, he never chases or follows, he's constantly moving laterally with them when his opponent are trying to run, stepping right in their way never allowing them to find an escape route, always staring right into his opponents eyes to further intimidate and discombobulate them, while applying immense pressure and when they go to the right he goes to the right and vice versa they eventually they start feeling like a rat in a cage and feel trapped and become paranoid and confused so they make mistakes that he capitalizes on almost immediately, eventually he gets them right where he wants them, which is either in the corner or along the ropes where he usually ends up stopping them. And I hate to break to all of the people who think slick fighters will be his downfall, he feasts on them with the greatest of ease, even Mayweather would not be able to get away from Triple G his footwork is that amazing. He is the definition of an effective aggressor.


    GGG is also a very skilled counter puncher he easily parries his opponents jab with right hand while shooting out his own counter left jab connecting with them as they come in, while they miss him entirely and therefore enhancing the impact of his counter sometimes with devastating effects, also with his left he blocks their rights and shoots out his counter uppercuts and he does this repeatedly and many fans seem to miss this sly technique, and for some reason think he's easy to hit, maybe its their eyes that are deceiving them. He's amazing at setting these traps and often his opponents seem to never catch on either. Then also he's brilliant at the art of shifting which is essentially going either southpaw to orthodox or vice versa, while gaining power by transferring weight on his feet moving in and out at the same time as he's throwing a punch, basically its the ability to sit down on your punches while in close or while inside fighting therefore maximizing the impact of the punch, which he's great at, add to this his amazing accuracy, and his incredibly educated brutal stiff jab which he utilizes with great effectiveness which he uses to set up his even more brutal power punches, his brilliant punch placement, innovative use of angles and punch selection and his general mastery of most types of punches, his brutal twisting knuckle punch hooks to the ribs are horrifying.

    Then there are the other intangibles like his seemingly iron chin which is a great asset to possess in spite of the fact he doesn't rely on it as much as people think, since opponents so rarely land flush on him. And of course his most valuable asset which is his immense power which opponents no matter their skill level they can never seem to smother, slip or block enough to fully get away from, his shots always get through their guards of course they're being set up by his tapping decoy hooks and jabs up top of to the body allowing him ease of access to their head and chin when they reflexively try to protect the exposed areas opening the intended target up for a flush shot that does maximum damage. In many ways GGG is a terrorist in the ring his presence, his pressure, his eye contact, his power and his reputation all terrify opponents and often times they've lost the match before they've ever set foot in the ring, because they feel as though they are going on a suicide mission with their chances at victory being near futile. Also the little fact that his instincts and intellect are top notch, he's far more intelligent than many of you all seem to think he is. His ring generalship is immaculate and only truly brilliant fighters can control range and distance with the absolute ease with which GGG does.


    He is as complete a fighter as you could possibly find in terms of an offense/defense combination and to the people on this site and many others who seem to think that Canelo Alvarez, Miguel Cotto, Erislandy Lara so on and so forth would box his ears off, well I'm sorry to inform you, but you might be insane or at the very least you don't know **** about boxing, because they do not stand even a slightest of chances against him, he's far more skilled than any of them on every level, no matter what the fanboys may want to believe or try to convince themselves of, its not a reality its only in their dreams. He spent years as an amateur perfecting his style facing every style imaginable having well over 300 matches which adequately prepared him for every type of opponent that is put before him. He's as close to a perfect fighting machine as you can get and the quicker all of his detractors can come to terms with this fact, the easier it'll be able to accept the inevitable losses their favorites will incur, because they will know....that their guy....he never even had a chance.



    So underestimate and underrate Gennady Golovkin at your own peril....because we'll be here to say we told you so.:D

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  2. theanatolian

    theanatolian Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    And you still think Lemieux has the slightest chance? :lol: I thought he had a slim puncher's chance before but after reading this, he doesn't even have that. Great work btw, well said :good
     
  3. spud1

    spud1 HAWK TIME!!!! Full Member

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    I dont disagree with your statement at all, its just sad that despite this abundance of skill and pedigree he wont face Andre ward, deep down you know this too.
     
  4. drozzy

    drozzy AERE Full Member

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    Great thread to make before Golovkin-Canelo, not Golovkin-Lemieux. :D
     
  5. Ol' Bub

    Ol' Bub Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Understand this: Andre Ward is fighting tune ups.
    If he fights in November on the Cotto-Canelo card, it will be a tune up.
    When he fights again in May or June of 2016, that will be a tune up too.
    Both of those fights will be above the SMW limit.
    How many times do you f*cks need to be told this? Pay attention.
     
  6. drozzy

    drozzy AERE Full Member

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    :rofl here we go.

    The ONLY viable opponent EVER for Golovkin is the best at the next higher weight division and #2 P4P in the world, Andre Ward.

    Fight him or you suck.

    It doesn't matter that Ward is actually fighting two tune-ups before he fights a top 10 opponent, it doesn't matter that even Virgil Hunter said you need to "settle at the weight and not fight the best right away", you need to fight him or you just suck.
     
  7. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Not only is Hunter adamant that his beau needs a year to settle into the weight before facing Kovalev because ''there's no way the playing field is going to be uneven while he's in charge'' (the irony of this is hilarious coming from the bug-eyed freak seeing how the deck is always stacked in his boy's favour lol), but he said that ''someone who walks around at 180 is just not a LHW yet''. But Golovkin walks around at 170. :patsch


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  8. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    So how many years does Ward need to settle into the HW division seeing how Hunter predicted he would win a strap up there before he turned 32 (he's turns that age in Feb next year) if he needs a whole year to settle into the weight to face Kovalev who weighed 3lbs more than him his last fight? 10 or 15 perhaps? :rofl
     
  9. PaddyGarcia

    PaddyGarcia Trivial Annoyance Gold Medalist Full Member

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    When attacking, the way he controls the distance is fantastic. He's just great to watch. Certified fan boy - shoot me
     
  10. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Hunter talking about Dawson's height and reach advatanges

    “The one-inch height advantage means nothing,” assessed Hunter. “As for the advantages in reach, I am not one to believe in that sort of stuff. Reach is greatly exaggerated and overhyped in boxing. What it comes down to is establishing distance as well as utilizing your range. Distance and range is more important than reach. Whichever fighter can do this the best will win the fight.”

    So what are these insurmountable odds that Ward needs a whole year to overcome before facing Kovalev? 3lbs in weight? :rofl
     
  11. Uppercut_Artist

    Uppercut_Artist Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    He won't face Ward becuase Ward is too big, and he won't face Lara because Lara is too slick and Cuban, and he won't face Hopkins until BHOP's social security kicks in.
     
  12. Bridie mcmahon

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    Nobody wants to watch Andre ward.
     
  13. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    Nice story, but we will only know the "true" skills of Golovkin when he fights serious opposition. Continuously devouring hopeless bums will make anyone look "truly skillful" to the eyes of the simple minded.
     
  14. drozzy

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    Yeah, let's just forget those 300 some fights in the ams and that silver medal, it's all bullshyt. No skills here, move along.
     
  15. spud1

    spud1 HAWK TIME!!!! Full Member

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    Listen bubbles, Ward is ready to negotiate to make this happen, he has pretty much cleared out super middleweight, bumlovin has just scratched the surface of beating fringe level competition.

    Give me the 5 best names on Golovkins record and stack those against Wards best 5.

    Understand this: There is no comparison.