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Skills Pay The Bills-Underrating And Underestimating The True Skill Level Of Golovkin

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by CST80, Oct 2, 2015.

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CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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The Shockmaster said: ↑

froch isnt an easy fight ....but lets face it....when ggg was talking about it froch was on his last rope....he was worn out and near retirement

like i said...if ggg got that froch fight at any time over the last two years....he was going right back to mw after....and we all know that....which is why he could fight ward and go back now too...hes just too afraid to lose.....ggg wasnt afraid of froch....easy fight prob not....but ggg knew hed be the favorite and could win it easily
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Fresh off of stopping Groves twice something DeGale and Badou couldn't do and Froch is still Ward's most impressive win, if Froch doesn't mean anything then I guess that means Ward's best win doesn't mean s***.:hi: After all Froch had been in nothing but wars for a few years in the lead up to and during the Super Six so maybe he was tired and needed a break when Ward got him. And let's be honest Ward's Super Six was easier than Carl's.

CST80, Oct 2, 2015

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CST80 said: ↑

I'm on the record as saying I think Froch and Ward both beat GGG. So you're not getting anywhere with me.
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I meant a loss for GiGi. Golovkin is first and foremost, a revenue opportunist.

Uppercut_Artist, Oct 2, 2015

Uppercut_Artist, Oct 2, 2015

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CST80 said: ↑

Fresh off of stopping Groves twice something DeGale and Badou couldn't do and Froch is still Ward's most impressive win, if Froch doesn't mean anything then I guess that means Ward's best win doesn't mean s***.:hi: After all Froch had been in nothing but wars for a few years in the lead up to and during the Super Six so maybe he was tired and needed a break when Ward got him. And let's be honest Ward's Super Six was easier than Carl's.
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so now were comparing 2011 froch to 2015, 38 year old, froch....the froch who just retired? .....yepppp....more ggg fanboy lunacy....ok man! i guess wards win means nothing....whatever you say!

ggg beating froch wouldnt have meant much....trust me...if ggg thought he wasnt much better he wouldnt have even entertained the fight even for that kind of money.....ggg knew froch was ripe

you could offer ggg 12 mil to cancel lemieux fight and schedule ward for december and ggg wouldnt take it

The Shockmaster, Oct 2, 2015

The Shockmaster, Oct 2, 2015

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The Shockmaster said: ↑

so now were comparing 2011 froch to 2015, 38 year old, froch....the froch who just retired? .....yepppp....more ggg fanboy lunacy....ok man! i guess wards win means nothing....whatever you say!

ggg beating froch wouldnt have meant much....trust me...if ggg thought he wasnt much better he wouldnt have even entertained the fight even for that kind of money.....ggg knew froch was ripe

you could offer ggg 12 mil to cancel lemieux fight and schedule ward for december and ggg wouldnt take it
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God you Ward fanboys really are maniacs. Froch wouldn't mean anything?....what are you ****ing nuts.atsch

CST80, Oct 2, 2015

CST80, Oct 2, 2015

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Uppercut_Artist said: ↑

I meant a loss for GiGi. Golovkin is first and foremost, a revenue opportunist.
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I know what you meant, and you were trying to get at me by saying that, and I agreed Froch might beat him therefore rendering your attempt at trolling me .....a fail.:hi:

CST80, Oct 2, 2015

CST80, Oct 2, 2015

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CST80 said: ↑

I know what you meant, and you were trying to get at me by saying that, and I agreed Froch might beat him therefore rendering your attempt at trolling me .....a fail.:hi:
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Nice try at saving face, but had they fought Froch would have definitely given little g the Bute treatment. :yep

Uppercut_Artist, Oct 2, 2015

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Uppercut_Artist said: ↑

Nice try at saving face, but had they fought Froch would have definitely given little g the Bute treatment. :yep
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How am I saving face I've said on here Froch had a real chance at KOing GGG as well:deal

CST80, Oct 2, 2015

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CST80 said: ↑

How am I saving face I've said on here Froch had a real chance at KOing GGG as well:deal
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A real chance?
GiGi would have joined the Vitali/Bute club of being stopped by the first real A level fighter faced in their careers.
GiGi has as much chance of beating a determined Froch as Groves; 25%.

Uppercut_Artist, Oct 2, 2015

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QuadrupleG said: ↑

Jay Z will never recover his $40M paid to Ward and possibly even Cotto.

Network contracts often prevent good fights, like Kovalev vs Stevenson.
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I'm confident he will do so from Cotto. If he doesn't from Ward then big deal because he is used to investments that don't always pan out. Have you ever heard of Tidal? Probably not.

Jeff M, Oct 2, 2015

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Jeff M said: ↑

I'm confident he will do so from Cotto. If he doesn't from Ward then big deal because he is used to investments that don't always pan out. Have you ever heard of Tidal? Probably not.
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Jay-Z will earn profit from both Cotto and Ward, because Jay-Z runs the boxing Biz as much as he runs Tidal and Dr. Dre runs Beatz.
The only fool rapper that ran his own boxing company was 50 cents.

Uppercut_Artist, Oct 2, 2015

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Uppercut_Artist said: ↑

Jay-Z will earn profit from both Cotto and Ward, because Jay-Z runs the boxing Biz as much as he runs Tidal and Dr. Dre runs Beatz.
The only fool rapper that ran his own boxing company was 50 cents.
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50 cents...I never thought his dumb ass would end up having 50 cents...I can see why he wanted to make up with Floyd before the Pac fight...

Jeff M, Oct 2, 2015

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CST80 said: ↑

Of all the things I find perplexing on Boxing Forums and there are many, its this highly inaccurate perception that bothers me the most. That somehow fighters from Eastern Europe are all lead footed lumbering Frankenstein's Monsters who plod headlong into the fists of far more capable highly skilled fighters and their only saving grace is their immense power that they overwhelm their opponent with usually leading to the inevitable stoppage, which is frequently discredited because after all, "they didn't outbox anybody, they relied on their power." This couldn't be further from the truth, the reality is many of the fighters from Eastern Europe are some of the most skilled high caliber fighters to grace the squared circle in recent memory. There's a fallacy that many people seem to believe, its that only defensively minded fighters are somehow the true sweet scientists of the sport, and that hit and not get hit is of the utmost importance. But that's not the case, offensively minded fighters can be every bit as skilled as the hit and not get hit crowd, its only their detractors that don't seem to recognize these qualities in aggressive destroyer type fighters. Well that makes me wonder how deep their understanding of the sweet science really goes.

Its a common occurrence with many fans they either can't see or refuse to acknowledge the proof that should be very apparent to them if they would just open their eyes and be willing to look. Many come forward fighters have been decried for their perceived lack of skills like Manny Pacquiao, Erik Morales, Joe Calzaghe, Carl Froch, Mike Tyson you get the idea. Seemingly missing their footwork, use of the jab, ability to slip punches in close by bobbing, weaving, blocking and parrying, counters, combinations, accuracy, stance, balance, control of range and distance. All that s*** they've got down to a science a sweet science. They only do it coming forward, which is in some ways more difficult to accomplish than it is constantly retreating.

And guess what? Gennady Golovkin has an overabundance of those skills and is an elite level fighter of the highest order and only someone who doesn't comprehend the sweet science as good as they think they can, can't see this. Here let me explain it to you. Skill wise as an offensive fighter he's more well rounded and complex than most so-called defensive geniuses. Just like many proclaim that fans miss the subtleties of great defensive fighters and therefore "DKSAB" well the same argument can apply to them. Gennady's defense is top tier, his slight subtle head movements just enough to roll with punches or slip them in close, his blocking, his parrying all usually while coming forward is similar to Chocolatito, add in his just stepping out of range when his opponents shots are coming in, the reality is its a hell of a lot harder to hit GGG clean that most seem to think it is. His footwork is as close to brilliant as you can get, he never chases or follows, he's constantly moving laterally with them when his opponent are trying to run, stepping right in their way never allowing them to find an escape route, always staring right into his opponents eyes to further intimidate and discombobulate them, while applying immense pressure and when they go to the right he goes to the right and vice versa they eventually they start feeling like a rat in a cage and feel trapped and become paranoid and confused so they make mistakes that he capitalizes on almost immediately, eventually he gets them right where he wants them, which is either in the corner or along the ropes where he usually ends up stopping them. And I hate to break to all of the people who think slick fighters will be his downfall, he feasts on them with the greatest of ease, even Mayweather would not be able to get away from Triple G his footwork is that amazing. He is the definition of an effective aggressor.

GGG is also a very skilled counter puncher he easily parries his opponents jab with right hand while shooting out his own counter left jab connecting with them as they come in, while they miss him entirely and therefore enhancing the impact of his counter sometimes with devastating effects, also with his left he blocks their rights and shoots out his counter uppercuts and he does this repeatedly and many fans seem to miss this sly technique, and for some reason think he's easy to hit, maybe its their eyes that are deceiving them. He's amazing at setting these traps and often his opponents seem to never catch on either. Then also he's brilliant at the art of shifting which is essentially going either southpaw to orthodox or vice versa, while gaining power by transferring weight on his feet moving in and out at the same time as he's throwing a punch, basically its the ability to sit down on your punches while in close or while inside fighting therefore maximizing the impact of the punch, which he's great at, add to this his amazing accuracy, and his incredibly educated brutal stiff jab which he utilizes with great effectiveness which he uses to set up his even more brutal power punches, his brilliant punch placement, innovative use of angles and punch selection and his general mastery of most types of punches, his brutal twisting knuckle punch hooks to the ribs are horrifying.

Then there are the other intangibles like his seemingly iron chin which is a great asset to possess in spite of the fact he doesn't rely on it as much as people think, since opponents so rarely land flush on him. And of course his most valuable asset which is his immense power which opponents no matter their skill level they can never seem to smother, slip or block enough to fully get away from, his shots always get through their guards of course they're being set up by his tapping decoy hooks and jabs up top of to the body allowing him ease of access to their head and chin when they reflexively try to protect the exposed areas opening the intended target up for a flush shot that does maximum damage. In many ways GGG is a terrorist in the ring his presence, his pressure, his eye contact, his power and his reputation all terrify opponents and often times they've lost the match before they've ever set foot in the ring, because they feel as though they are going on a suicide mission with their chances at victory being near futile. Also the little fact that his instincts and intellect are top notch, he's far more intelligent than many of you all seem to think he is. His ring generalship is immaculate and only truly brilliant fighters can control range and distance with the absolute ease with which GGG does.

He is as complete a fighter as you could possibly find in terms of an offense/defense combination and to the people on this site and many others who seem to think that Canelo Alvarez, Miguel Cotto, Erislandy Lara so on and so forth would box his ears off, well I'm sorry to inform you, but you might be insane or at the very least you don't know **** about boxing, because they do not stand even a slightest of chances against him, he's far more skilled than any of them on every level, no matter what the fanboys may want to believe or try to convince themselves of, its not a reality its only in their dreams. He spent years as an amateur perfecting his style facing every style imaginable having well over 300 matches which adequately prepared him for every type of opponent that is put before him. He's as close to a perfect fighting machine as you can get and the quicker all of his detractors can come to terms with this fact, the easier it'll be able to accept the inevitable losses their favorites will incur, because they will know....that their guy....he never even had a chance.

So underestimate and underrate Gennady Golovkin at your own peril....because we'll be here to say we told you so.

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I know you must feel all warm a cozy nestled in between GGG sacks. You a real good boy.

Manfred, Oct 2, 2015

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Manfred said: ↑

I know you must feel all warm a cozy nestled in between GGG sacks. You a real good boy.
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Please Manfred tell me more about the greatness of Marcus Browne after he beat up a corpse.

CST80, Oct 2, 2015

CST80, Oct 2, 2015

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I'm confident he will do so from Cotto. If he doesn't from Ward then big deal because he is used to investments that don't always pan out. Have you ever heard of Tidal? Probably not.
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Cotto won't be worth a dime by the end of next month.:deal

CST80, Oct 2, 2015

CST80, Oct 2, 2015

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CST80 said: ↑

Cotto won't be worth a dime by the end of next month.:deal
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Oh yes, you're a Cotto hater.....but it's true..he cannot run or hide from the Irish Terminator Canelo..:yep..then your boy Little G's time will nearly be up..no one escapes the Irish Terminator (except Void)..:deal

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