Slick Boxers vs David Tua

Couldn't agree with you less, Sauhund II.

Calling Jeff Wooden a bum is a damn stupid thing to say. The guy gave fits to Byrd, Tua and Grant and was just a swing round away from getting a draw against all three. He also gave Rahman problems as well before getting stopped. He was a durable, crafty, busy southpaw and it's a disgrace to insult the man and his efforts with such a throw-away insult like that.

Wooden was not elite but dismissing what he was capable of is ignorant in the extreme and not worthy of the Classic Forum.

 

Tua still won those fights.
IF you have an ok jab and IF you dont gas out is a weak statement. They DID gas out because Tua made them move a lot and his shots took it out of them.

Just an aside but Tuas out of ring issues were coming to a head by the time of the Byrd fight. I actually was backing Byrd but i still think it was not a good version of Tua, his head and shoulder movement wasnt the same and his punch output was well down. I think the Tua who took Ike to the edge may well have got the job done.

 

I question if the Tua Byrd beat was near the best version of years earlier, he certainly aged fast, partly due to a lack of training discipline and maybe some hard fights too. I think the Ike Ibeabuchi fight took all to out of Tua and maybe made the Nigerian go crazy

 

I think Kevin Barry just got his training methods wrong. Seemed to mimic Holyfields muscle mass style. Tua didnt need to be that big. His stamina was great before he got into the 240s-250s and he carried his power from start to finish and was busy for three minute of every round. I also think he was very trusting of Barry and was devastated to find that Barry and Pugh were ripping him off. Must be hard to swallow when your father figure youve trusted and worked so hard for does that

 

Larry Donald was a matchup I always wanted to see. I had a lot of doubts about Tua ever catching him & it was probably never even a close fight to being made.

To a lesser degree, Kirk Johnson. He had mobility and more power than Donald but was a lot easier to hit with those low hands. I tend to think Tua catches him, but it is certainly possible that Captain Kirk gets a decision win.

 

LOL, except Byrd none of the fighters you mentioned are worth a lick. Wooden is/was a stepping stone nothing more or less. Top tier guys don't struggle with that kind of a fighter.

The only reason you ever heard of Rahman was that, the cannonfodder he was supposed to be , (and is) landed ONE shot at a mediocre chinned Lewis . which you are a big fan of, and made history. Otherwise nobody would ever mention that one trick poney in ANY boxing conversation. He was about to ready to cry and quit when he got the small cut .............a questionable chin, not glass I might add, did the trick.

And talking about agenda, the only reason that you elevate Tua is because your hero fought him in one of the most boring heavyweight fights in recent years. The "granite" chinned guy punked out after he tasted a couple of right hands and went into survival mode. Instead of stepping up a notch and take Tua out (and he should have been taken out after the 8/9 th round) the ever safety cautious Lewis was happy to let Tua see the final bell. Fact not fiction.

Tua was never a elite heavyweight, a heavy left hook ? Sure but that was it. It si no coincidence that he never was a major player or was even able to pick up a ABC belt. Hell, even the clubfighter Tua victim Ruiz learned to adapt and with Dons help grabbed a few belts but the mighty Tuaman, yeah, the road is very short when all you have to offer is a hook and don't have a clue how to deal with a jab.

 

Greg Page, Larry Holmes.

 

I seen him struggle with Jeff Wooden and lose to Chris Byrd and even Lewis was out boxing him so easily that he was content. Jersey Joe outboxes him, Billy Conn should do it,Charles handles him,Jimmy Young would do it

 

I have watched a few Ibeabuchi fights recently and he was a wrecking ball but not against Tua it was a very close fight and Ike kept that right hand held high all night much like Lewis did. Two slick fighters who had trouble with Tua where Ruiz and Moorer, Tua has the power to turn a fight, he can be outboxed all night and still win in the last round.

 

The best of them would be expected to to it, more often than not.

Greb, Tunney, Loughran, Pastor, Conn, Charles, Moore, Machen, Ellis, Spinks.

You get the idea.

 

Despite Tua being a limited fighter some of them might wind up getting brutally knocked out.