Slow Down...No Need To Rush: Long Term Legacy Should Outweigh Instant Gratification.

CST80 Pacquiao was an ATG by the time he was 25 years old. Had beaten Sasakul, Ledwaba, Barrera and drew with Marquez by the time he was 25 years old.

It didn't take him 20 years to become legend.

Mayweather took a whole lot longer because his career is built upon longevity and consistency instead of standout moments.

 

I get what you mean there. I mean Sasakul was a borderline A level fighter. He's basically the Vernon Forrest of the 90s. Ledwaba was honestly A level. Call me crazy, but I think he troubles (not necessarily defeats) Morales at 122. And yes the Barrera and Marquez fights were against A level guys.

So yes he did go on to have other fights with other top guys, but I don't consider guys like Ledwaba, Barrera and Marquez as foundation. That's not the up and coming show right there. That's the big time.

 

That's subjectivity at its finest. You're claiming an atg from a fighter with 2 ko losses and some draws, by 25

 

This is boxing, not math.

 

Yeah boxing fans saying no I don't want to see that fight because its too soon! We cry about not getting good fights then complain about being too soon and needing warm up fights. :nut

 

They are thirty ****ing years old, dude! They were in the amateur ranks boxing for ten or fifteen years. It's not like they have no experience. They already have a **** ton of experience and are in the middle of their physical primes. Guys like Lomachenko could have gone pro after their first Olympic gold medal. He's got more ring experience than Floyd Mayweather.

What you aren't factoring in at all is their physical age as men, how long they've been boxing in the amateur ranks, etc. So yes, this may be their fifth or sixth professional fight plus three hundred amateur fights. Duran, Pacquiao, and Chavez Sr. had twenty or thirty amateur fights and then went pro.

GATHER ye rosebuds while ye may,
Old Time is still a-flying:
And this same flower that smiles to-day
To-morrow will be dying.

The glorious lamp of heaven, the sun, 5
The higher he 's a-getting,
The sooner will his race be run,
And nearer he 's to setting.

That age is best which is the first,
When youth and blood are warmer; 10
But being spent, the worse, and worst
Times still succeed the former.

Then be not coy, but use your time,
And while ye may, go marry:
For having lost but once your prime, 15
You may for ever tarry.
-Robert Herrick

 

Fans want to see greatness.

 

He could be talking about IB chrissy!:conf

 

Excellent

 

I agree, mma is sort of doing the same thing.

Other than fighting for the title too soon why dont boxers fight more frequently to build up their resume. One could say because of their extensive amateur records that they dont really need the experience but to build up hype they need some appeal to the fans.

All these EE fighters who are nearing 30 cannot avoid each other for too much longer. As much as I agree with fighting some B level fighters how long can these guys realistically do this for before they get hungry for belts ?

How many gimme fights do they take and how many american fighters are even willing to box ?

 

Also a lot of guys who take losses early in their careers get better from it. As long as they don't take a bad physical beating.

Plenty of fighters have lost very early in their careers and it's probably even good for them to just get the 0 out of the way and then focus on fighting the best.