I just wanted to see what people expect from small hall shows? I see loads of threads started or ending up becoming that this show is a waste of money or there are no 50/50 fights. So what do you expect when going along? I have been involved in running shows in Aberdeen for the last 12 years or so and know the kind of budgets that are available at these shows and most small hall shows are lucky to make a profit even with good support. There are a few things that the average boxing fan don't get to see when trying to put a show together and especially when trying to match up 50/50 fights. 1. The numbers must add up when putting the bill together 2. The manager/promoters want extortionate money for their boxer to fight a 50/50 bout 3. The boxer himself just doesn't fancy travelling out of his comfort zone 4. Managers/Promoters would rather their boxers with good records would rather wait for a big payday for a British title etc Than risk a defeat before they get that. 5. Managers/Promoters know that their ticket selling machine just isn't that good and don't want to risk him being beat. All or at least some of these things must be worked out to get one 50/50 bout let alone two or three. I would love to try get 4 50/50 fights on the bill at our shows but lets be honest if you want top guys to travel then you need to have the budget to get these guys to travel with the chance of defeat and if these guys are with a top promoter it ain't happening!! The next best thing is to try make sure that when you put on a show that fights are at least going to be interesting, that means using journeymen that actually come to win rather than using guys who just want to mess about. I'm sure if you ask people who have been at our shows over the last 6-8 years that everyone has been value for money with good bouts even if the records would suggest otherwise! Trust me the only way that promoters will take a chance on putting their hands in their pockets and get better opponents is if the paying public show support at these small hall shows so if you are a true boxing fan then instead of just slagging these shows off go and attend these shows, bring your mates and have a good night and help your local fighters build a fanbase that means their promoters are willing to splash out for the fights you want to see at these shows!!
My ideal bill would be: The local favourite wins the main event; watch a couple of prospects as support, and a couple of decent battles, even of limited quality as curtain jerkers.
I agree mate, you can still have good shows if the promoter/matchmaker looks for the correct opposition and doesn't just look for the cheapest option with the least amount of risk!
I have heard of numerous sources how small hall shows are tough to put together and make a profit from, so people like yourself who put these shows together have my sympathy. However, people in boxing have to see it from the consumers point of view. You are selling a product after all and the consumer will only buy it if they feel that it is value for money. Clearly there are massive obstacles in the way of being able to give the fans what they want, as you stated in your post. However, just like politics, is the problem not down to the shortermism of the powers that be in boxing and these people doing the same thing over and over again? This is a problem, not just at the lower end of the sport, but also at the top level. No one in the sport appears to be doing anything different or having a plan that could benefit the sport in the long term. I don't want to sound like some cheesy, American businessman, but to build (or rather, rebuild) the brand of boxing and to get the public more interested then you have to invest in the sport with money and new ideas. Monetarily speaking, promoters will take a hit in the short term, but over the long haul profits will increase due to a better product putting more bums on seats. On the lower level, more competitive fights at small hall shows. At the higher level, less significance given to the alphabet organisations belts and a move away from PPV. For these to occur it will need everyone in the boxing business (fighters, trainers, managers, promoters, TV networks, etc) to take huge risks. This could involve an entire generation of fighters earning less money than the previous generation, but it will be best for the sport in the long term due to an increase in fans at the fights and on TV which will eventually lead to the monetary rewards of old. Obviously, this is far easier said that done due to boxing being fragmented and not having one governing body, but for boxing to thrive like it once did and for its participants, fighters and non fighters, at all levels to earn a decent living, the sport needs a complete overhaul. Sorry for going slightly off topic and not directly answering your question.
What the above poster has said is true.Promoters must invest their time and money and lose in the short term until such time they develope a "local hero" who can draw the fans to the fight. Too many promoters cheap out and want to cash in immediately and that just isn't going to happen in small hall shows.
Would say one or two local 'names' with the rest of the card with fighters who are 'entertaining' - doesn't need to be filled with great prospects but you do need some entertaining fights
What you don 't need is half a dozen local fighters padding their records in 4x3s or 6x2s against journeymen with 5% win records and hardly a dozen puncehs thrown.