Smelling saltes as a PED

I have a pretty rounded view of it- I've used a steroid to help heal an injury, and got a positive test without adequate doctor paperwork. Got an NC, man, and it still follows me, and I've tried to remain clean my whole career.

I know for a fact that a lot of guys do them, and the times I've encountered it, staring me in the face, BOTH guys fighting were on the juice, so I didn't think twice.

I think we just want fair contests, and we really don't like the thought of anything BUT the fists settling the contest. If we think those fists had help they shouldn't have, it hurts our credibility, and, frankly, our feelings(no homo). Hard to watch a hero get beat down and believe, in your heart of hearts, that outcome would have been different if only xyz.

 

Some great posts in this thread gentlemen.

 

Since when was the usage of supplements in the middle of a boxing match justice? Like you where saying earlier, it gives an unfair advantage to Ali therefore he should have been disqualified. If you where the ref and was aware of what was going down in the corner, you wouldn't be doing your job correctly if you deducted a point and threw the salts away.

 

Again, how is the use of a banned substance in one man's corner a fair contest?

 

Well all we can do is reverse the decision. So should we start taking credit from Ali for cheating and give Cooper credit for a win now?

 

That's not what I'm trying to say at all Flea :huh. Do you know if there where any talks of the decision being over turned or ruled a no contest after the fight? I've had a little look on the net but not found anything yet.

 

That might be a reason Dundee made up all that bull**** about minutes for the torn glove and whatnot. Seems to get more press than the smelling salts, nice diversionary tactic that.

 

Quite possibly.

Always the referees discretion, and there is virtually NO precedent for an outcome being CHANGED.

Invalidated and NC'ed, yes, that happens all the time, but very, very rarely is a loss turned into a win. It would be bad, bad juju. It'd be the final nail in the coffin of the sport.

 

I prefer fists settling a contest. I would, in fact, do everything in my power to AVOID a DQ, and many referees are the same.

A single intentional low blow isn't met with a DQ, but it offers an IMMEDIATE and FAR more egregious unfair advantage. Many refs don't even DQ fighters whose corners illegally rush the ring.

Let the fighters fight whenever you can. If banned substances become an issue, let the commissions judge the result, and let the assosciation's, if any, order a rematch. The referee's number one goal should be to control the fight, yes, but number 2 should be to let the fighters fight.

 

Of course.

I wonder what the perception of Clay would've been at the time, and Ali now, if he had been DQ'd and not had the chance to show he'd recovered. Sure he'd have gone on to beat Cooper in the rematch, but would it be as champ after dethroning Liston?

If anything else it'd be brought up even more than the friggin' knockdown does nowadays, even now after all the myths have been dispelled you still see 'em cropping up every so often.

Imagine if Saad had been DQ'd for having that substance on him against Conteh. An absolutely superb fight would've been snatched from us, and Conteh's lightning in a bottle physical state that night would've been robbed from him even in a DQ win. We never would've seen that great comeback.

I'm glad these kinda' misdemeanours go unpunished in a way as I don't think them to be really that much of an advantage. Of course I'm talking selfishly as a spectator wanting to see one thing only; you got it, a good clean fight




Disclaimer; yes I'm essentially advocating an ickle bit of cheating as it's to gain a little advantage in the ebb and flow and not to really damage your opponent, ergo I appreciate B-Hop's sneaky butting, not so much Luis Resto's tampered gloves. Case-by-case basis I guess, but again, selfish I know.

 

It's prizefighting, man. An ickle bit of cheating happens each round, much less each fight. The referee is there to reign it in, penalize a guy who gets excessive, or end a fight if a fight, in essence, refuses to fight fair.

Even Mills Lane let a bout go on after a huge bite. Referee discretion IS a rule. I have a problem with the whole "Shoulda been DQed" mindset. "Coulda been DQed" is valid, but should isn't really on the balance of the thing. It's on tthe ref.

 

Okay this is more along the lines of what I meant atsch although I'm oretty sure of your answer already, do you think the decision should of been made to a no contest. I also agree that turning it from a win to a loss would have been absaloutley ridiculous.

 

This is how I see it, and great example of Mills Lane there :good

Webbiano; I wasn't talking about the actual decision being overturned earlier. My point was should the general opinion on Ali be that he cheated to win that fight?

 

I believe they helped Ali against Cooper, incidentally their use was banned in the UK at the time.

It obviously did not alter the result because Ali came out meaning business in the next round, and established control.

 

Cheating is cheating , it isnt" gamesmanship",its taking a dishonest advantage and its been in boxing for ever and in most other sports too. Matt Franklin as was ,had his cut stopped by a Monsels solution type substance, he was in danger of losing by tko , his corner cheated simple.

Conteh came up against this versus Matte Parlov who entered the ring with a ridiculous coating of plastic skin on his eyebrows and was allowed to fight with it.
Conteh himself would stick the nut on you given the smallest chance, but imo, he was robbed in both those fights.